How can God regret if he knows the future?

[muichimotsu]

You have to look at the Bible, and see the message of God yourself. Start with the 10 commandments, i.e. no idol worshiping, honor your parents, no adultery, murder, stealing, covet, to the most important law of all, Love God with all and love your neighbor as yourself.

Pretty sure the Decalogue isn't as unique as you make it, except in how it focuses on piety for the first 4 commandments instead of having that be more fundamental and make the 10 commandments about prohibiting things like rape and slavery. If they were really that novel and innovative, those would be in there, yet all we see is stuff that is only new because of the henotheism in ancient Judaism or is effectively ripping off the Code of Hammurabi or other moral codes that predate Judaism

I could definitely wrong about God, since I am limited. But I will say giving all the evidence, the probability of a creator is extremely high. Would like to know what you believe in (you set it as Buddhist, so you must believe in spiritual world, just not a creator?)

A creator is still vague and even if I was a Buddhist in that spiritual sense (a word that is easily misconstrued), the existence of any god is irrelevant in the grand scheme of the universe: the gods are subject to karma, etc, their status is merely capacity and power at best, nothing transcending the universe.

I'd get that label changed, but the process is needlessly protracted from what it used to be about 10 years ago, plus the options they have are either vague or reductionist in some cases. You ever looked at them?

You have:
Agnostic (which is arguably used in multiple manners, few if any using Huxley's definition), Atheist (there are alternate terms that can qualify what people think atheism means in some common parlance and isn't really what is meant when most people use the word as atheists), Freethinker, Humanist (this can apply to a religious perspective as much as a secular one, needs more qualification), Naturalist (which needs qualification, there are at least 2 types, if not more), Rationalist (this suggests Christians cannot be rationalists, so a lack of awareness of how the term is used, seemingly), Skeptic (this also has several variations from even a quick look). I'd go with Apatheist myself for a general start of my perspective, but that's only a response to the question of God. And as for things like an afterlife, Buddhism probably isn't entirely accurate, but it certainly aids in terms of some ethical foundations, though not required, since you can deduce those otherwise, like being a Stoic or such

Even if I granted your notion of a creator existing, that doesn't follow to worship as any kind of necessity from that, especially if we consider that trying to make a deity equivalent to logic/goodness/etc is an equivocation fallacy and special pleading rather than being honest in the anthropomorphism that plagues Abrahamic religion especially in trying to use God as a bludgeon, an authority.

 

[dcalling]

In that case God isn't omniscient.

That is all I was saying (i.e. if God can create something truely random, then He won't know the random number that comes out next. I could be wrong though), thought it was very very obvious.

 

[dcalling]

So God is not all knowing then

If what I said is correct, then your statement is correct.

 

[dcalling]

I just find it quite funny when religious people tell me, that I as an atheist lead an empty and pointless life with no meaning. When it is actually the religious people who think this life has no value, it's the afterlife that means everything. Im sure every atheist here treasures and makes the most of this short life we have...

Every life is not pointless, as all is created with a reason. So I don't know which religious people told you that, or you can show me that statement

And we don't take this life has no value, we value the after life more than this life. So if something really bad happens, a real religious person should not lose his/her mind over it.

The issue with atheism is, since life is short and you better enjoy it, what prevents people to enjoy it to the fullest, at the cost of others? Stalin and Mao killed a lot of people so they can make sure they stay on the top, and either cared about what state of their country will be in after they die.

 

[ximmix]

If what I said is correct, then your statement is correct.

Ok is what you said correct, or did u do a Trump?

But no prob. your God isn't onipotent and omniscient then, it's ok....

 

[ximmix]

So I don't know which religious people told you that

Hmm, just look around. i have heard it alot of times. one poster even went so far as to tell me, as an atheist, my life was useless, and I cant enjoy life...

 

[dcalling]

Ok is what you said correct, or did u do a Trump?

But no prob. your God isn't onipotent and omniscient then, it's ok....

That is why I said "If what I said is correct". I could be wrong. It is only my understanding, could be different than yours.

 

[dcalling]

Hmm, just look around. i have heard it alot of times. one poster even went so far as to tell me, as an atheist, my life was useless, and I cant enjoy life...

People can have different opinions , there are plenty of atheists who think people that are religious are fools too.

If you want to enjoy this short life, should not be bitter about it

 

[ximmix]

People can have different opinions , there are plenty of atheists who think people that are religious are fools too.

If you want to enjoy this short life, should not be bitter about it

bitter? i think it's you who should enjoy this short life more...

 

[ximmix]

That is why I said "If what I said is correct". I could be wrong. It is only my understanding, could be different than yours.

Ah, can we agree that according to the Bible God is Omnipotent and Omniscient?

 

[ximmix]

what prevents people to enjoy it to the fullest, at the cost of others? Stalin and Mao killed a lot of people

This is the silliest argument against atheism. "If I don't have God watching over me I would rape and kill", is only in the deists minds

 

[dcalling]

bitter? i think it's you who should enjoy this short life more...

Just my feeling based on your statements. You seems to be angry, maybe I am wrong

Ah, can we agree that according to the Bible God is Omnipotent and Omniscient?

Where in Bible was that stated? Would like to know.

This is the silliest argument against atheism. "If I don't have God watching over me I would rape and kill", is only in the deists minds

It seems logical that if people know someone is watching them, they tend to do less evil, no?

 

[ximmix]

Just my feeling based on your statements. You seems to be angry, maybe I am wrong

Well, ur feelings are wrong this time.

Where in Bible was that stated? Would like to know.

Not a Bible schollar. So you agree?

It seems logical that if people know someone is watching them, they tend to do less evil, no?

So the only thing keeping you from murder and rape is ur perceived watchful eye in the sky? that is ver y scary...

 

[dcalling]

Well, ur feelings are wrong this time.




Not a Bible schollar. So you agree?

Neighter agree nor disagree. I know God is the most powerful, but I don't know if God is Omniscient. He could be if he choose to, but I would say there is no fun in that

So the only thing keeping you from murder and rape is ur perceived watchful eye in the sky? that is ver y scary...

That is not what I said.
I asked you a question, "It seems logical that if people know someone is watching them, they tend to do less evil, no?", you ignored my question and changed my word.

 

[ximmix]

Neighter agree nor disagree. I know God is the most powerful, but I don't know if God is Omniscient. He could be if he choose to, but I would say there is no fun in that

Ok, I take that as you don't think He is omnipotent or omniscient.

That is not what I said.
I asked you a question, "It seems logical that if people know someone is watching them, they tend to do less evil, no?", you ignored my question and changed my word.

I didn't ignore the question, if the only thing keeping you from murder and rape is a perceived eye in the sky, yes i find that very scary

 

[ximmix]

@dcalling

That is not what I said.
I asked you a question, "It seems logical that if people know someone is watching them, they tend to do less evil, no?", you ignored my question and changed my word.

Ok, I'll reply again. sure, people in totalitarian countries with constant supervision might commit less crimes where the cams are.

And about that evil part, you'll have to take that with your
God, if He is not the bringer of Evil, He sure allows it.

 

[ximmix]

That is all I was saying (i.e. if God can create something truely random, then He won't know the random number that comes out next. I could be wrong though), thought it was very very obvious.

Is that how most Christians see God, as not omnscient, or are you rogue in ur opinions..?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
1 Samuel 15:11

The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.
Genesis 6:6

I will do you one better. How can God have emotion if He is omniscient?

 

[dcalling]

Is that how most Christians see God, as not omnscient, or are you rogue in ur opinions..?

have no idea, I don't know what they think.

 

[dcalling]

@dcalling


Ok, I'll reply again. sure, people in totalitarian countries with constant supervision might commit less crimes where the cams are.

So you do agree if people are watched they tend to refrain from evil

And about that evil part, you'll have to take that with your
God, if He is not the bringer of Evil, He sure allows it.

Well, that bring back my first point. To create truly interesting things, you have to put in less restrictions, so basically the creation is so perfect they are capable of their own doing.