How can Creationism be falsified?

[EastCoastRemnant]

So basically, those that believe in the evolution theory of an old age of the earth are correcting God in what He instructed mankind for a few thousand years.

Do you believe God has to apologize to all those He deceived into thinking what He said, He meant?

 

[Speedwell]

So basically, those that believe in the evolution theory of an old age of the earth are correcting God in what He instructed mankind for a few thousand years.

Do you believe God has to apologize to all those He deceived into thinking what He said, He meant?

Either that, or your interpretation of Genesis is wrong.

BTW, the age of the Earth is an issue of geology. It has nothing to do with biological evolution.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Either that, or your interpretation of Genesis is wrong.

I got that interpretation from reading Genesis and believing what God's Word says... if you feel it is wrong, then I suggest you take it up with God.

BTW, the age of the Earth is an issue of geology. It has nothing to do with biological evolution.

Deflecting a bit are we? Biological evolution also requires a long age of the earth... both of which, btw, aren't supported by God's Word.

Tell me, if it's easy to disregard God's explanation of how He created the earth and the creatures on it, is it just as easy to disbelieve other portions of scripture? How do you really know what's truth or what's a fable? Surely, Satan would want you to think you can't believe any of it right? Seems he's doing a bang up job of convincing Christians of that.

 

[Speedwell]

I got that interpretation from reading Genesis and believing what God's Word says...

So you read ancient Hebrew fluently? You understand the literary conventions and tropes of ancient Hebrew and those of related ANE writing? Your're familiar with the history and archaeology of the region? Good.

Tell me, if it's easy to disregard God's explanation of how He created the earth and the creatures on it, is it just as easy to disbelieve other portions of scripture?

No. Each book of the Bible is an independent text and must be evaluated for historicity on its own merits.

How do you really know what's truth or what's a fable? Surely, Satan would want you to think you can't believe any of it right? Seems he's doing a bang up job of convincing Christians of that.

And the YECs are helping him by teaching people that if Genesis is not 100% accurate literal history then the rest of the Bible is trash.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

So you read ancient Hebrew fluently? You understand the literary conventions and tropes of ancient Hebrew and those of related ANE writing? Your're familiar with the history and archaeology of the region? Good.

Fortunately for us, God does not require us to learn an ancient language to understand the simplicity of His Word. Otherwise only intellectuals an scholars would understand... kind of like the Pharisees thought they understood.

No. Each book of the Bible is an independent text and must be evaluated for historicity on its own merits.And the YECs are helping him by teaching people that if Genesis is not 100% accurate literal history then the rest of the Bible is trash.

That's interesting, because I believe that God's Word is true... ALL of it as it reads... I'm aiding the enemy of souls in deceiving people... interesting argument for arguments sake I guess.

 

[Speedwell]

Fortunately for us, God does not require us to learn an ancient language to understand the simplicity of His Word.

That is called the Doctrine of Perspicuity, a novelty primarily limited to YEC sects. The rest of Christendom is not interested in it.

That's interesting, because I believe that God's Word is true... ALL of it as it reads... I'm aiding the enemy of souls in deceiving people... interesting argument for arguments sake I guess.

As it reads? But you have already admitted that you don't read it--except in English translation and without scholarly help. You're deceiving people if you claim to know what it says.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

That is called the Doctrine of Perspicuity, a novelty primarily limited to YEC sects. The rest of Christendom is not interested in it.

I can understand how proud, educated intellectuals might feel their superior need to question God Almighty... myself, I do not.

As it reads? But you have already admitted that you don't read it--except in English translation and without scholarly help. You're deceiving people if you claim to know what it says.

Now your just being silly...

 

[Speedwell]

I can understand how proud, educated intellectuals might feel their superior need to question God Almighty... myself, I do not.

You think that a serious examination of the Bible is the same as questioning God Almighty? No, the Bible is a collection of texts which we regard as divine revelation. As such, it requires all of the scholarly tools and abilities which the community of the faithful can bring to bear on it; linguistic, literary, historical, archaeological, and so on. the Word of God deserves nothing less.

 

[AV1611VET]

You think that a serious examination of the Bible is the same as questioning God Almighty? No, the Bible is a collection of texts which we regard as divine revelation. As such, it requires all of the scholarly tools and abilities which the community of the faithful can bring to bear on it; linguistic, literary, historical, archaeological, and so on. the Word of God deserves nothing less.

And after 405 years of "scholastics born on It," what is your conclusion?

 

[Speedwell]

And after 405 years of "scholastics born on It," what is your conclusion?

More like 2000. My conclusion? That YECism is unnecessary.

 

[AV1611VET]

My conclusion?

No, not your conclusion ... your (plural) conclusion.

I assume you personally haven't analyzed the Bible for 405 years.

I'm talking about the collective conclusion of those who have.

Those who have actually gone out in the field with their tools and used sweat equity.

 

[Speedwell]

No, not your conclusion ... your (plural) conclusion.

I assume you personally haven't analyzed the Bible for 405 years.

I'm talking about the collective conclusion of those who have.

Those who have actually gone out in the field with their tools and used sweat equity.

Yes. That is the conclusion of the majority of professed Christians--even those who reject the theory of evolution. After all, they have apparently had the Bible longer than your sect.

 

[AV1611VET]

After all, they have apparently had the Bible longer than your sect.

My "sect" is named after John the Baptist: the last of the Old Testament prophets and first New Testament independent fundamental Baptist.

 

[Speedwell]

My "sect" is named after John the Baptist: the last of the Old Testament prophets and first New Testament independent fundamental Baptist.

You were the one who brought up 405 years. The rest of us have had the Bible since the third century.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Yup.

Vioxx, Rely, etc.

That's why you can't watch TV anymore without seeing a lawyer wanting you to sue for something.

Can you believe scientists used to put lead in paint, lead in gasoline, asbestos in ceilings, and hydrogen in passenger airships?

Sort of reminds me of my son when he will admit to doing stupid things when he was a kid but he is grown up now and much better then what he use to be. Only problem is he is still doing stupid things even though he claims to be all grown up now and much smarter then he was. Science claims they are not doing much better now and they do not make the stupid mistakes that they use to make in the past.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It's hard to find a good accountant these days, isn't it?

Marriage complicates everything. Esp when it has to do with the government and paying taxes.

 

[AV1611VET]

The rest of us have had the Bible since the third century.

Maybe that's your problem then?

You guys refused to leave It behind when God obsoleted It and gave you another purified translation?

 

[rjs330]

That is called the Doctrine of Perspicuity, a novelty primarily limited to YEC sects. The rest of Christendom is not interested in it.



As it reads? But you have already admitted that you don't read it--except in English translation and without scholarly help. You're deceiving people if you claim to know what it says.

Scholarly help is OK. But just like everything else scholars disagree with each other on a lot of things. And a lot of scholars are not even believers. You are far better off getting a good concordance or even learning enough to get a interlinear Bible to study the word of God.

The idea that only scholars can tell you what the Bible means is ridiculous. Are the translations so far off that we can't read it and understand it? Is reading it in Hebrew and Greek the only way to really know what the Bible says? That is absurd. We've had an awful lot of years to study the languages and the scriptures of today are excellent translations.

You do not need to be a scholar to understand what the Bible says. If so all scholars would agree on everything and they don't.

The layman can read scriptures and understand them just fine. The principles of interpretation work. One of the most important ones is to let Scripture interpret Scripture. One that those who challenge Genesis ignore.

 

[rjs330]

Fortunately for us, God does not require us to learn an ancient language to understand the simplicity of His Word. Otherwise only intellectuals an scholars would understand... kind of like the Pharisees thought they understood.



That's interesting, because I believe that God's Word is true... ALL of it as it reads... I'm aiding the enemy of souls in deceiving people... interesting argument for arguments sake I guess.

You are correct my friend. Well said. Don't buy the, only scholars can know what the Bible really means, nonsense. I have a degree in Biblical Literature and have spent my whole life studying Scripture using Greek and Hebrew. I've discovered that while it helps to understand Scripture it is Not absolutely necessary to have that knowledge. Our translations are quite good and knowing Greek and Hebrew is an add on that helps but is not necessary.

The biggest thing is to let Scripture interpret Scripture. In other words if you have difficulty understanding one particular passage find all the other passages on that subject that you can and it will mostly likely help. A good topical Bible is gold when it comes to that sort of thing.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Creationism can't be falsified because it makes no predictions. When its claims are refuted, it falls back on the Godidit fallacy.