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Direct commandWhere is baptism commanded for salvation?
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
You lost me, so are you saying that Christ cannot do His will now because He is dead.Yes, but Jesus had not yet died at that point. Until he dies, a man’s Will can be changed as he sees fit. So too, until He died, Christ could do anything He wanted in terms of who He saved.
Based on what do you believe what you posted.The scriptures don’t say that he wasn’t baptized. People had been being baptized for over three years by this time and they were coming in huge numbers to be baptized. It’s very possible that the thief had already been baptized.
Yes, the Holy Spirit fell on them (with miraculous manifestation) before they were saved in water baptism. This is the same thing that Acts 8 is talking about; the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit. Simon didn’t want to buy the indwelling. He wanted to buy the ability to lay hands on and give miraculous power to others (Acts 8:19).
But miraculous gifts are not the indwelling. The Spirit dwells in our hearts today, yet there are no legitimate “miracle workers” today (nor, I believe, has there been one in 1900 years (since the last Apostle died) but that is a discussion for another thread).
Oh, the hard of heart.Mark 16:16 only says you have to believe to be saved, not baptized.
Again, no reference to baptism in water being required for salvation. In fact, because Peter told everyone, "in the name of Jesus Christ . . ." (not of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit), he was talking about being baptized by the Holy Spirit, who then gives you one of His gifts (tongues, healing, hospitality, teaching, and three more).
I just noticed Acts 8:37 is missing in the NIV.
Romans 7 does not mention baptism at all.
Indeed, the word baptize means “to dip or immerse”. And as pointed out in Mark 16, it must follow after belief. But if you notice in the passage here it is DURING baptism that the Spirit takes action to remove sin and unite us with Christ.Colossians 2 explains why the only correct way to get baptized is via immersion after you have believed.
No. I am saying that His will is now written in the Bible and it doesn’t change from one person to the next. The covenant is the same for you, for me, and for the man from the 1st century. From the moment Christ died until the end of the world everyone was, is, and will be subject to the same requirements for salvation; and those are written in New Testament scripture. They are: believe, repent, confess Jesus’ name, and be baptized.You lost me, so are you saying that Christ cannot do His will now because He is dead.
Several reasons I am certain of that.How can you say that with any certainty? There’s no verse that says Cornelius and his family didn’t receive the indwelling Spirit your just assuming they didn’t. According to the scriptures I provided it appears that the Holy Spirit is given at God’s discretion not automatically after baptism. Cornelius and his family received the Holy Spirit before they were baptized and the people in Acts 8 didn’t receive it after they were baptized so it would seem that baptism is not an event that automatically triggers the Holy Spirit.
There is nothing “man crafted” salvation to that._requirements for salvation; and those are written in New Testament scripture. They are: believe, repent, confess Jesus’ name, and be baptized.
Perfect example above in italics, of a man crafted salvation using Bible verses.
I agree. But most people I know use the term “believer” to indicate someone who is saved. That is why I put that in quotes.
Absolutely one must believe before they are baptized, but just believing does not make one saved. That was the point I was trying (and evidently failing) to make.
There is nothing “man crafted” salvation to that.
There is only one author to Scripture: God. He used many men to “ghost write” His Word, but He is the author. There is no contradiction or error in His Word. That means that ALL of it is one unified instruction.
Now, if in one place it says “believe and be saved”, and in another place it says “repent and be baptized to be saved”, which is it? If there is no error or contradiction, it MUST be both! So EVERYTHING that the Bible says leads to salvation (or forgiveness, or eternal life, or any of the other symptoms for being reunited with God) must be included in our understanding of what it takes to receive salvation.
We can’t pick and choose the ones that make us feel good, or that we think He meant, and exclude the ones that we don’t “feel”.
There is nothing “man crafted” salvation to that.
There is only one author to Scripture: God. He used many men to “ghost write” His Word, but He is the author. There is no contradiction or error in His Word. That means that ALL of it is one unified instruction.
Now, if in one place it says “believe and be saved”, and in another place it says “repent and be baptized to be saved”, which is it? If there is no error or contradiction, it MUST be both! So EVERYTHING that the Bible says leads to salvation (or forgiveness, or eternal life, or any of the other symptoms for being reunited with God) must be included in our understanding of what it takes to receive salvation.
We can’t pick and choose the ones that make us feel good, or that we think He meant, and exclude the ones that we don’t “feel”.
Several reasons I am certain of that.
First, if Peter believed that the Spirit’s coming on Cornelius and family indicated they were saved, he wouldn’t have suggested that they be baptized in water afterwards
Third, the Scriptures show one path to salvation, not a different path for each person.
Indeed, the Gospel, the good news about who Christ is and what He did (that only He could do) to give us a way to be reunited with God does have the power to save. But as I have said, you cannot pick and choose your favorite Scriptures and ignore the rest.Paul said that it’s the gospel that has the power to save.
“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”
Romans 1:16 NASB1995
“that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be disappointed.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?”
Romans 10:9-14 NASB1995
Since you pick and chose verses, how do you know your order is right. Why is it not repent, confess, baptize and believe. or confess, repent, believe and baptize. etc.....
Show me where your order is used in any one single area in The Bible. When a person is telling a person how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life
No. The Apostles taught the whole Gospel from Pentecost verbally. But the Spirit didn’t record every word they said into their writings. Some of the writers, John for example, expected you to know, or to already have, some of the other writings, like the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke.So people had to wait till The Bible was bound and published before they could know God's salvation plan. So they could read the whole Bible and pick out these verses you have selected.
Acts 2:38 says repentance and baptism are required.
No. The Apostles taught the whole Gospel from Pentecost verbally. But the Spirit didn’t record every word they said into their writings. Some of the writers, John for example, expected you to know, or to already have, some of the other writings, like the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke.
So today we do need to sift through all of what was written. Partly, this is to fulfill what the Spirit said when He said, “seeing they do not understand, and hearing they do not comprehend.”
Paul said that the gospel is the power unto salvation. To me that means that a person can be saved by believing the gospel. If baptism was absolutely necessary for salvation then the gospel would not be the power unto salvation because salvation cannot be attained by the gospel itself.
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