How Can Abortion Be Biblically Defended?

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Such a wet noodle attitude! Wake up and read the scripture!

We can't have those guilty of murder on the streets,
so any woman that has had an abortion must be put to death
or in wimpy noodle states, life in prison.

You are the only person on this thread who is suggesting that. Myself and just about everyone else is saying "He who is without sin may cast the first stone." But don't forget "Go and sin no more." Sin is sin and it all carries the same penalty. But, as you referenced, we are in a new covenant where we are spared from the penalty we justly deserve. But sin is still sin. Biblically, abortion is murder and God will be the judge.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

What are you going on about? My point was you will never be consulted. No pregnant woman has any value for your opinion. End of story.

Apparently no value for God's opinion either.

 

[SkyWriting]

Apparently no value for God's opinion either.

I wouldn't know. It's not my place to judge the heart of others. Which is all God considers.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”


To claim "Murder" means you are ALLOWING millions of murderers to walk the streets when they should all be stoned to death, or crucified.

 

[SkyWriting]

You are the only person on this thread who is suggesting that. Myself and just about everyone else is saying "He who is without sin may cast the first stone." But don't forget "Go and sin no more." Sin is sin and it all carries the same penalty. But, as you referenced, we are in a new covenant where we are spared from the penalty we justly deserve. But sin is still sin. Biblically, abortion is murder and God will be the judge.

So is pride. Only worse. Actions can be forgiven on request. Pride ends in death.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

So is pride. Only worse. Actions can be forgiven on request. Pride ends in death.

Do you now concede that abortion is a sin?

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you now concede that abortion is a sin?

Sin can only be discerned in one's own heart, which is not visible to others.
I can see my sins, I cannot see yours.

Hebrews 8:6-13
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2 Corinthians 3:3
And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

 

[SkyWriting]

You are the only person on this thread who is suggesting that.

But you are referring to scripture rather than my opinion.

Genesis 9:6
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed

Leviticus 24:17
“Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:12
“Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.

Numbers 35:30-31
“If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the evidence of witnesses. But no person shall be put to death on the testimony of one witness. Moreover, you shall accept no ransom for the life of a murderer, who is guilty of death, but he shall be put to death.

Revelation 21:8
...as for murderers...their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Exodus 21:16
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

But you are referring to scripture rather than my opinion.

Genesis 9:6
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed

Leviticus 24:17
“Whoever takes a human life shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:12
“Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.

Numbers 35:30-31
“If anyone kills a person, the murderer shall be put to death on the evidence of witnesses. But no person shall be put to death on the testimony of one witness. Moreover, you shall accept no ransom for the life of a murderer, who is guilty of death, but he shall be put to death.

Revelation 21:8
...as for murderers...their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Exodus 21:16
“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

John 8:7-11
When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Now once again. Nobody is calling for anyone to be stoned or executed. The adulterous woman was guilty of sin and deserved death. But Jesus showed mercy and commanded her to "leave her life of sin." Abortion, like adultery and murder, is a sin. Those who take the life of an unborn child is guilty of murder just like the women in this passage was guilty of adultery. Both biblically are deserving of the death penalty. This should be an indicator of how serious these sins are. However, “Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.” (James 2:13). Don't be deceived into believing that just because someone receives forgiveness, they are now innocent of sin. Just because someone is given mercy, does not mean they did not deserve judgement.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Sin can only be discerned in one's own heart, which is not visible to others.
I can see my sins, I cannot see yours.

Jeremiah 17:9
"The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?"

 

[SkyWriting]

Jeremiah 17:9
"The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?"

That's a perfect point. As I said, man is not qualified to judge sin.

The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure
who can understand it? I, the LORD, search the heart;
I test the mind to reward a man according to his way,
by what his deeds deserve.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

That's a perfect point. As I said, man is not qualified to judge sin.

Which is why I am not using "my heart" to "judge sin". I am allowing the Word of God to expose and confront sin that the heart tries to hide.

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. (Hebrews 4:12-13)

 

[SkyWriting]

Which is why I am not using "my heart" to "judge sin". I am allowing the Word of God to expose and confront sin that the heart tries to hide.

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. (Hebrews 4:12-13)

Again, that works for you exactly as the passage describes. But can not be used on others. Thanks!

100 Bible Verses about Judging Other People - OpenBible.info

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Again, that works for you exactly as the passage describes. But can not be used on others. Thanks!

100 Bible Verses about Judging Other People - OpenBible.info

I can use topic searches to dig up scripture too.
What Does the Bible Say About Confronting Sin?

 

[SkyWriting]

I can use topic searches to dig up scripture too.
What Does the Bible Say About Confronting Sin?

That's only of value if you read them and follow the detailed instructions on how and when to do it.

It is limited to fellow church members, then you confront them face to face, then with elder supervision, and always gently and in humility. Rarely unsupervised.

There is no suggesting that scripture can be used as your weapon against others sins that you've invented in your imagination.

13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight.

1 Samuel 16:7
For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

 

[SkyWriting]

Which is why I am not using "my heart" to "judge sin". I am allowing the Word of God to expose and confront sin that the heart tries to hide. (Hebrews 4:12-13)

That's only for you, and not others.

 

[SkyWriting]

It seems as though you would have to throw the word of God out the window to justify it. Please explain to me why I am wrong for having this point of view?

Becasue God supports local government as the acting will of the Father on earth.

Matthew 12:25 - Jesus knew their thoughts and replied, "Any kingdom divided by civil war is doomed. A town or family splintered by feuding will fall apart.

Proverbs 21 - The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. All a man’s ways seem right to him, but the LORD weighs the heart.

Ecclesiastes 8:2-9
2 I say, “Keep the command of the king because of the oath before God. 3“Do not be in a hurry to leave him. Do not join in an evil matter, for he will do whatever he pleases.” 4 Since the word of the king is authoritative, who will say to him, “What are you doing?”
5 He who keeps a royal command experiences no trouble, for a wise heart knows the proper time and procedure. 6 For there is a proper time and procedure for every delight, though a man’s trouble is heavy upon him. 7 If no one knows what will happen, who can tell him when it will happen? 8 No man has authority to restrain the wind with the wind, or authority over the day of death; and there is no discharge in the time of war, and evil will not deliver those who practice it. 9 All this I have seen and applied my mind to every deed that has been done under the sun wherein a man has exercised authority over another man to his hurt.

 

[SkyWriting]

I think there is no Biblical support for the 98.5% of abortions which are committed for convenience reasons.

Support for local law.

Titus 3
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, 2 to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. 3 For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. 4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. 9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.

 

[SkyWriting]

No, abortions are never done in hospitals.

Yes, they are. Doctors make this decision with females and no outside groups are never consulted in the process to get their opinions.

About 4 percent take place in hospitals.

 

[Justified112]

Yes, they are. Doctors make this decision with females and no outside groups are never consulted in the process to get their opinions.

About 4 percent take place in hospitals.

The medical procedures they are use are not "abortions." Abortions are done in abortion clinics. In hospitals a pregnancy is terminated, but not all "terminations" result in dead babies. And in the case of medical necessities, terminating a pregnancy is not considered, in the medical field, to be an abortion. For example an ectopic pregnancy, which is hazardous to the mother, is terminated by removing the fallopian tube. That is not an abortion.

An abortion has ONE purpose. It's purpose is to murder the baby. Murder is against the law. But calling "abortion" removes that moral stigma attached to murder. It treats the baby as a non-human entity that is removed like it is a tumor.

No one goes to an abortion clinic to save the mother's life. Abortions at a clinic are convenience abortions. They are there because the woman got pregnant, and abortion is seen as a form of birth control. It is for convenience purposes only.

If a pregnancy is truly hazardous to the mother, it can be terminated medically and in some cases, both lives can be saved, but this only done in hospitals. No respectable doctor performs "abortions."

 

[Justified112]

Support for local law.

There is no law supporting abortion. Abortion is murder. Murder is against local law. So by supporting abortion, you are going against local law.