How big should the USA get?

[Praetor]

The USA has historically been an expansionist nation. The USA has grown from 13 colonies on the East Coast to 50 US States and a dozen overseas posessions. In addition, the USA temporarily ruled nations such as Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, Liberia, Korea, Germany, Japan, Okinawa, Iraq and Afghanistan.


People believe the USA can't grow anymore. However, parties such as the Expanonist Party and the Falconist Party are calling for a revival of Manifest Destiny for the USA.

So how big should the USA get?

 

[Super Gnat]

*shrugs* I don't see any reason for us to grow. And we can't get significantly more land without conquering somebody, so unless another country applies to become a state, I don't think that we should grow.

 

[Praetor]

I think we can encourage other nations to vote to join the USA. People around the world voted and continue to vote to join the USA with their feet.

Joining the USA will improve the lot of third world nations that would join our union. For one thing, it would mean massive public investment to build highways, roads, water generation and distribution networks, power generation and distribution networks, harbors, schools, hospitals, and other infrastructure. It would also mean extension of US labor, environmental, occupational health and safety laws to the people of that country. The economy of nations that become states and territories of the USA would boom.

Incorporation of the USA would also mean the people of these nations will be able to enjoy freedom they're not enjoying now. No more rules requiring the wearing of barakas. No more prohobitions of women from driving. No more slavery.

Not to mention nations that join our union will be required by the US Constitution to maintain republican forms of government otherwise the USG steps in and steers that state towards democracy.

And nations that become states and territories of the USA will also add to America's wealth and power as well. If America annexed and rebuilt every nation she ever occupied. The USA would have a population of one billion people today and a GDP of $40 trillion.

I believe we need to use military force to eliminate the regimes engaged in tyranny, terrorism, and atrocity. Once those regimes are removed, we can rebuild those nations into first-world societies and incorporate them into the USA.

I believe the world can be united under the US Constitution, the Stars and Stripes, and the name of the United States of Terra.

 

[Quantos]

/me starts eying Canada

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

I think we can encourage other nations to vote to join the USA. People around the world voted and continue to vote to join the USA with their feet.

Joining the USA will improve the lot of third world nations that would join our union. For one thing, it would mean massive public investment to build highways, roads, water generation and distribution networks, power generation and distribution networks, harbors, schools, hospitals, and other infrastructure. It would also mean extension of US labor, environmental, occupational health and safety laws to the people of that country. The economy of nations that become states and territories of the USA would boom.

Incorporation of the USA would also mean the people of these nations will be able to enjoy freedom they're not enjoying now. No more rules requiring the wearing of barakas. No more prohobitions of women from driving. No more slavery.

Not to mention nations that join our union will be required by the US Constitution to maintain republican forms of government otherwise the USG steps in and steers that state towards democracy.

And nations that become states and territories of the USA will also add to America's wealth and power as well. If America annexed and rebuilt every nation she ever occupied. The USA would have a population of one billion people today and a GDP of $40 trillion.

I believe we need to use military force to eliminate the regimes engaged in tyranny, terrorism, and atrocity. Once those regimes are removed, we can rebuild those nations into first-world societies and incorporate them into the USA.

I believe the world can be united under the US Constitution, the Stars and Stripes, and the name of the United States of Terra.

What was that about a one world government and the end times?

 

[LogicChristian]

And nations that become states and territories of the USA will also add to America's wealth and power as well. If America annexed and rebuilt every nation she ever occupied. The USA would have a population of one billion people today and a GDP of $40 trillion.

Where did you get that figure?

 

[KingOfEngland]

LOL. Stop dreaming too much. Even if these things happen, do you know how badly they will affect the US? For example: Lets just say Mexico wants to join the Union. The immediate problem would be integrating Mexicans into American society. Easy? Not at all. Obvious obstable would be language. What's going to be taught in Mexican schools? What would be the language that US gov't is going to speak? When Mexico joins, US would have 40-45% Spanish speaking people, and would continue to grow percentagely. Will the President speak spanish during State of the Union? It isnt as easy as you might think. And this is just one issue concerning annexation. And this is just one nation. The world?

 

[419gam]

I think the US needs to shrink. I for one would be happy to remove California from the Union. I know a lot of conservcatives who wouldn't mind seeing it go.

Californians pay way more in federal taxes then we get back in services, plus the feds won't respect our laws and interfere with the states medicinal marijuana dispensaries. Plus we have the agricultural and ranch land and access to 3 out of four of the countries busiest ports, but unlike the east coast port of Newark the California ports have access to the Pacific Rim economies.

I say we start allowing states to leave the union.

 

[KingOfEngland]

Not going to happen Gam . The Union won't and can't tear apart. You won't believe how much the world is going to be unstable if it does.

 

[CCGirl]

Manifest destiny is a load of crock.

That said, I hope and support the reduction of the USA. They need to heed the peoples right to self determination!! Let the colonies go! Let Hawaii go, and why do you hang on to Puerto Rico? This doen't even begin to address Aztlan.

 

[LogicChristian]

Manifest destiny is a load of crock.

That said, I hope and support the reduction of the USA. They need to heed the peoples right to self determination!! Let the colonies go! Let Hawaii go, and why do you hang on to Puerto Rico? This doen't even begin to address Aztlan.

Hawaii doesn't want to go. Puerto Rico has had referendums on statehood and independence, and they have an independence party. Ever thought that maybe those folks don't want to leave the US?

Aztlan?

 

[UberLutheran]

And countries like Canada, Mexico, as well as the Central and Southern American countries would want to become a part of the United States (and ruled by the United States) for what reason?

Because we say so?

And Washington, DC would become the capital of the world? What if the European countries (not to mention the African countries, the Asian countries, and the Central and Southern American countries) don't want to join an expanded United States?

Do we simply "annex" them? Or send our battalions in and simply take over those countries -- possibly with the "encouragement" of dropping nuclear weapons to "prod" them into doing our bidding?

Wasn't this little experiment tried in Europe about 80 years ago -- and it failed disastrously?

 

[Selznak]

I say we start allowing states to leave the union.

Sounds good to me!

 

[UberLutheran]

Manifest destiny is a load of crock.

That said, I hope and support the reduction of the USA. They need to heed the peoples right to self determination!! Let the colonies go! Let Hawaii go, and why do you hang on to Puerto Rico? This doen't even begin to address Aztlan.

And we're supposed to give cede Alaska, with all its mineral wealth, to Canada for what reason?

Oh, I know: Canadian Manifest Destiny!

By the way -- good luck on getting Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, Nevada and California to cede themselves back to Mexico!

Got an idea: you Canadians give Quebec their freedom and let them become an independent, French-speaking country -- and then we'll talk.

 

[Selznak]

Aztlan?

http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

 

[CCGirl]

Hawaii doesn't want to go. Puerto Rico has had referendums on statehood and independence, and they have an independence party. Ever thought that maybe those folks don't want to leave the US?

Aztlan?

I have been a long time supporter of the Puerto Rican independance party! This has nothing to do with the fact that the people of those countries (not the people moved in by the occupier) may have a much different opinion of independance.

Aztlan....the USA returning land back to people they stole it from. Ummm...it is a significant movement and enjoys international support.

Aztlán also gives its name to several Hispanic political movements in the United States, such as the Revolutionary Council and Provisional Government of Aztlán andMEChA, also known as Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlán (Chicano Student Movement of Aztlán). In this connection, it often refers to the irredentist struggle for independence or reunification with Mexico for those southwestern states colonized and occupied by the USA after the Mexican-American war and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo of 1848.

 

[CCGirl]

And we're supposed to give cede Alaska, with all its mineral wealth, to Canada for what reason?

It was never part of Canada!

Oh, I know: Canadian Manifest Destiny!

Thank fully we have no such illusions of grandeur.

By the way -- good luck on getting Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, Nevada and California to cede themselves back to Mexico!

It is not mine to take back.

Got an idea: you Canadians give Quebec their freedom and let them become an independent, French-speaking country -- and then we'll talk.

I don't want to derail the thread, but you have no idea of Canadian history if you say something like that and try to compare Quebec to the AZTLAN movement!

How many referendums has Quebec had? How many have they won towards independance? Maybe a new thread is in order?

 

[UberLutheran]

It was never part of Canada!



Thank fully we have no such illusions of grandeur.



It is not mine to take back.



I don't want to derail the thread, but you have no idea of Canadian history if you say something like that and try to compare Quebec to the AZTLAN movement!

How many referendums has Quebec had? How many have they won towards independance? Maybe a new thread is in order?

Here's the map you furnished:

Alaska is drawn as a part of Canada.

I'm very much aware that Secretary of State Seward purchased Alaska from the Russians in 1867.

WHY is Alaska listed as a part of Canada on this map?

And WHY are California, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico and Texas expected to cede themselves to a new country called Aztlan?

Speaking as one who lives in Texas: we'll have snow on a sunny afternoon in July before Texas cedes itself to form another country called Aztlan!

 

[LogicChristian]

I have been a long time supporter of the Puerto Rican independance party! This has nothing to do with the fact that the people of those countries (not the people moved in by the occupier) may have a much different opinion of independance.

Aztlan....the USA returning land back to people they stole it from. Ummm...it is a significant movement and enjoys international support.

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Sorry CCGirl, I don't think my family is moving out of Houston Texas anytime soon, nor are they ceding their land to the Mexican government.

 

[Machjo]

Got an idea: you Canadians give Quebec their freedom and let them become an independent, French-speaking country -- and then we'll talk.

Why should we boot Quebec out? If their referendum can make it above 50%, then fine. Until then, they're always welcome to stay!

And I'm a French Canadian who's indifferent to Quebec sovereignty by the way.