How are we to explain these "miracles?"

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And rather than share this with others, you play it off as a "private miracle", as if this sort of thing couldn't make a difference to other people.

Not so private that it isn't brought up in every thread at every opportunity.

But again Heissonear, limb lengthening is a common fraud miracle. The only thing we have different here is your word that THIS one is WAY too major and impressive to be fraud! Which, of course, is claimed about lots of fraudulent miracles as well.

 

[Heissonear]

Not so private that it isn't brought up in every thread at every opportunity.

But again Heissonear, limb lengthening is a common fraud miracle. The only thing we have different here is your word that THIS one is WAY too major and impressive to be fraud! Which, of course, is claimed about lots of fraudulent miracles as well.

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Classical - what you do not understand and what you doubt you state does not exist - Miracles never happen!

Smear such things as fraud. Meanwhile, your root of doubt is bringing you only darkeness and error.

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[TLK Valentine]

Not so private that it isn't brought up in every thread at every opportunity.

But again Heissonear, limb lengthening is a common fraud miracle. The only thing we have different here is your word that THIS one is WAY too major and impressive to be fraud! Which, of course, is claimed about lots of fraudulent miracles as well.

It all hinged on the ego of the alleged witness -- Heissonear is clearly FAR too clever to be fooled, ergo, miracle.

 

[PsychoSarah]

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Classical - what you do not understand and what you doubt you state does not exist - Miracles never happen!

Smear such things as fraud. Meanwhile, your root of doubt is bringing you only darkeness and error.

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And your unwillingness to prove us wrong makes you complacent in that doubt, you could literally make believers out if people within a day if you were wiling to show proof of a miracle, but you don't because either you have none or you are selfishly viewing the miracle as yours alone.

 

[Heissonear]

And your unwillingness to prove us wrong makes you complacent in that doubt, you could literally make believers out if people within a day if you were wiling to show proof of a miracle, but you don't because either you have none or you are selfishly viewing the miracle as yours alone.

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Once again, God made witnesses, not readily available residual physical evidence for those beyond the mother's relationships. It was for a select group to begin with, by His choice.

And once again, if God wanted any and all to know He is through firsthand exposure to Miracles, then He would have no problem doing so through manifold Miraculous events demonstrating His Power. Instead He chooses a select group, with what He purposes the Miracles to accomplish. Such is happening around us all the time!

Rather than spreading misinformation why not seek to know if He is and through earnest prayer ask Him to reveal Himself to you? Who or what else do you want more in life, if He exists?

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[szechuan]

Humans performed more miracles than God ever did.

 

[szechuan]

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Once again, God made witnesses, not readily available residual physical evidence for those beyond the mother's relationships. It was for a select group to begin with, by His choice.

And once again, if God wanted any and all to know He is through firsthand exposure to Miracles, then He would have no problem doing so through manifold Miraculous events demonstrating His Power. Instead He chooses a select group, with what He purposes the Miracles to accomplish. Such is happening around us all the time!

Rather than spreading misinformation why not seek to know if He is and through earnest prayer ask Him to reveal Himself to you? Who or what else do you want more in life, if He exists?

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It's funny, I love it when Christians go back to "Faith" based when clearly shown in the past years. They need proof and many of them look at creationism for proof of God.

 

[Kylie]

Oops.

 

[Heissonear]

It's funny, I love it when Christians go back to "Faith" based when clearly shown in the past years. They need proof and many of them look at creationism for proof of God.

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Since you are empty handed towards experiencing Spiritual Power you think "faith" is an empty substance!

Some people have turned Christianity into stories and teachings. As far as meeting the Holy Spirit and tasting
Power from on High they have no idea nor firsthand experience.

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[TLK Valentine]

Once again, God made witnesses, not readily available residual physical evidence for those beyond the mother's relationships. It was for a select group to begin with, by His choice.

We get it -- you're special.

And once again, if God wanted any and all to know He is through firsthand exposure to Miracles, then He would have no problem doing so through manifold Miraculous events demonstrating His Power. Instead He chooses a select group, with what He purposes the Miracles to accomplish. Such is happening around us all the time!

But only to the special people.

Rather than spreading misinformation why not seek to know if He is and through earnest prayer ask Him to reveal Himself to you? Who or what else do you want more in life, if He exists?

How an an answer for all those sick/injured believers He doesn't heal miraculously?

Or the hungry He doesn't feed miraculously?

Or the poor and miserable He doesn't save miraculously?

If God exists, He owes His believers an explanation.

Maybe an apology as well.

 

[Heissonear]

We get it -- you're special.

But only to the special people.

How an an answer for all those sick/injured believers He doesn't heal miraculously?

Or the hungry He doesn't feed miraculously?

Or the poor and miserable He doesn't save miraculously?

If God exists, He owes His believers an explanation.

Maybe an apology as well.

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The issue you are struggling with is the "haves and have not's". The issue has bewildered and possibly agitated you. To you it just doesn't make sense.

Have you read in Isaiah that His ways are above our ways, and His thoughts above our thoughts? Take a deep breath and try to become aware how large that gap is between our thoughts and His thoughts, and our ways and His ways.

Then realize there are small rays of light He can and does shed our way to bring us to apprehend what He is up to. The amount there is to learn about Him is astronomical, right?

You can keep heading toward a dirt-based existence but I'm heading towards Him, and in His timing receive glimps firsthand of what He is up to and why - I've entered a wonderous and never ending walk with Him, in truth, and you can too.

As I mentioned "many times" lately, I've seen Him spontaneously Create body materials and made a deformed arm normal. Again, an act of Creating materials that were not. And you whine against Him? Many people seem to "have not" received what others have, even from His ability and demonstrations to provide? Yes, for reasons still to be known.

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[PsychoSarah]

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Since you are empty handed towards experiencing Spiritual Power you think "faith" is an empty substance!

Some people have turned Christianity into stories and teachings. As far as meeting the Holy Spirit and tasting
Power from on High they have no idea nor firsthand experience.

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But oh lucky you, you did get proof, you don't have to risk doubt like most people. Why? Why would god show a miracle to people who are already believers, and not show proof of itself to those who will burn in hell if it doesn't?

 

[stevevw]

Behold Heissonear... the guy who claims a miracle he could easily show, yet refuses to do so without any reason whatsoever. Perhaps tomorrow we will be visited by an equally silly person who will claim a bank deposit from a leprechaun?

I am interested in your beliefs. On your avatar it says you are a deist. So you believe in a creator God but not one that is personal and has any contact with us apart from that. Is this similar to theist beliefs. This explains things now. We have different views on who God is. Because you dont believe that he has any contact with us you will not believe the bible.

So all the people mentioned in the bible and all the dealings they have had will be under suspicion. Do you believe the stories they speak about like the creation one or the Jews becoming slaves in Egypt. Moses and the 10 commandments. Do you believe in the writing of the new testament about Christ and his miracles or what he has been claimed to have said. Do you believe that he is the son of God and that he was crucified and rose again on the third day. Do you believe in the holy spirit.

I have never come across anyone with this belief before so I am interested in finding out. Maybe this is not the right forum to discuss this but I am interested to know.

 

[TLK Valentine]

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The issue you are struggling with is the "haves and have not's". The issue has bewildered and possibly agitated you. To you it just doesn't make sense.

Actually, it's not so much about the have and have not as it is about God's selectivity.

Consider -- He demands His followers be totally be totally dependent on Him, but only provides for a handful of them. Why?

Have you read in Isaiah that His ways are above our ways, and His thoughts above our thoughts? Take a deep breath and try to become aware how large that gap is between our thoughts and His thoughts, and our ways and His ways.

Sounds like a "shut your mouth and do as you're told" school of theology. Pass.

A God who made us so that we can think but then demands that we don't is not a God worthy of worship.

Then realize there are small rays of light He can and does shed our way to bring us to apprehend what He is up to. The amount there is to learn about Him is astronomical, right?

The amount that we've already learned is pretty impressive -- no thanks to Him.

Small rays of light for some, big flashy miracles for a few, noting for most. Either He loves some a lot more than others, or there's something else at work here.

You can keep heading toward a dirt-based existence but I'm heading towards Him, and in His timing receive glimps firsthand of what He is up to and why - I've entered a wonderous and never ending walk with Him, in truth, and you can too.

No, I can't -- because you're special, remember? You've gotten the up close and personal look at miracles that 99.999% of Christians spend their entire lives praying for and never receive.

Millions throughout history have died horrible deaths with "help me, God" on their dying breath, and He's been putting on shows for you. Are you a more deserving Christian than they were?

As I mentioned "many times" lately, I've seen Him spontaneously Create body materials and made a deformed arm normal. Again, an act of Creating materials that were not.

You've been conned, my friend -- that's an easy trick.

At the very least, you had better pray you've been conned -- a Genuine miracle would make God a sadist in the eyes of those who could use a new arm.

And you whine against Him? Many people seem to "have not" received what others have, even from His ability and demonstrations to provide? Yes, for reasons still to be known.

You mean excuses. You don't want to think about the implications, so you don't. Nevertheless, there are plenty of other Christians who deserve an explanation, but have been cowed into being too afraid to ask for them.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

...
Delia Knox walks again after being paralyzed for 22 years.
It was on 27 August 2010, over 22 years after the accident, in The Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival church in Alabama that her situation was instantly and radically changed. She watched while two parents brought their baby up to the front of the church for healing. She found that her fear of disappointment for her own healing was replaced with compassion for the child. Shortly afterwards, evangelist Nathan Morris called her forward and prayed for her. After a few minutes she began to experience feeling in her legs. The prayer persisted and after several more minutes she was able to stand with assistance from others and take uncoordinated steps.

Over the next few days she was able to build up some strength in her legs and gradually learn to use them again. A week later she walked again in the same church, but with much less assistance and with improved coordination. After several weeks her coordination and strength was sufficient for her to walk unassisted...
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I wonder why god hates amputees. Any ideas?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Some people have turned Christianity into stories and teachings.

Well, we certainly can't have that -- the last thing you'd want is for people to learn something!

 

[Lord Emsworth]

Anybody explained these miracles yet?

Why do I even ask?

 

[stevevw]

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Have you read in Isaiah that His ways are above our ways, and His thoughts above our thoughts? Take a deep breath and try to become aware how large that gap is between our thoughts and His thoughts, and our ways and His ways.

I think its amazing that God knows everything. We dont fully see what Gods up to right now. But our eyes and ears can be opened to see and hear God everywhere. Some have seen God and Jesus when he came to be among us in the bible days. They have seen the greatness of God first hand. When we accept Gods grace through Jesus our eyes and ears are opened to God. Through Jesus the holy spirit tells us of Gods amazing powers.

Then when I look into a the sky i can see Gods greatness and know that if God made what I see then how much greater is He for doing so. If he made the quantum world then maybe we are just looking into Gods qualities. We maybe just beginning to see that the life and universe that we live in had to have something great behind it.

We are beginning to see things that we dont understand and I believe will never really comprehend these things with science. People will try and put a explanation to it but it wont ever sit right. Gods wisdom goes beyond the wisest and he is the greatest scientist. As God says "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End".

The Purpose of the Parables

10 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” 11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 for to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:
“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear. 17 for truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

 

[Heissonear]

You've been conned, my friend -- that's an easy trick.

At the very least, you had better pray you've been conned -- a Genuine miracle would make God a sadist in the eyes of those who could use a new arm.

You say the Miracle never happened.

I was conned, so you say. Why do you say such? It is because it does not fit into the world you live in, so you have used reason and doubt to explain it away.

But in reality the Miracle happened, it was not a mere illusive man derived trick. I am fortunate to have witnessed this one and others, and am not basing that Miracles occur on what others say but by firsthand experience.

What I witnessed was Power above the natural, a Power which distinctly ruled over the natural, including the very act of "Creation of new body materials" when He lengthened and made the deformed arm physically normal. Yet you state this Miracles did not happen, there was no God nor Power above the natural to it, that I was conned by man. Your guise of being in contact with reality is being exposed. Your reasoning, mere reasoning about God, is being shown as error.

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[PsychoSarah]

You say the Miracle never happened.

I was conned, so you say. Why do you say such? It is because it does not fit into the world you live in, so you have used reason and doubt to explain it away.

But in reality the Miracle happened, it was not a mere illusive man derived trick. I am fortunate to have witnessed this one and others, and am not basing that Miracles occur on what others say but by firsthand experience.

What I witnessed was Power above the natural, a Power which distinctly ruled over the natural, including the very act of "Creation of new body materials" when He lengthened and made the deformed arm physically normal. Yet you state this Miracles did not happen, there was no God nor Power above the natural to it, that I was conned by man. Your guise of being in contact with reality is being exposed. Your reasoning, mere reasoning about God, is being shown as error.

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And yet you consistently refuse to support your claims, and have even admitted you don't have evidence you can show us, so why don't you drop this altogether considering you aren't going to convince anyone this way?