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When someone teaches you about something you have no clue about why call this preaching instead of teaching or educating.
Is there something wrong with educating someone in ignorance?
Have YOU witnessed the Heavens rule over the natural? If you haven't and someone has, on this forum can the one who has present matters against those in unbelief and persistently promote Naturalism, their position where there is no need for a god or the supernatural to explain every event that happening on earth?
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Go ahead and teach us, with evidence for your claims.
Then again, chances are that I will not only get no objective response but no response at all. Wouldn´t be the first time.I think what you will likely get, is more preaching, for even doubting his claims.
.Now, that´s a thrilling report! Could you give us some details? In which way and to what degree was the child´s arm deformed? How much length was missing (e.g. compared to the other arm)? How much length did it grow? How much time did the process take? Where and when did this take place? What was the situation? Was it just some child on the street, or was there something significant in the setting that made you (and/or other witnesses) expect the arm to grow? Etc. etc. All details and information are extremely welcome!
Well, I am asking the questions that interest me. I don´t know what you mean by "the right questions". "Right" - for which particular purposes, for which preconceived goals?.
If you have not witnessed a true display of the Heavens Ruling over the natural, are you certain you are asking the right questions?
I was asking just a couple of objective questions. Everything else (particularly the idea that this is about keeping or removing beliefs or unbeliefs) must be projections on your part.If you have been in obvious unbelief about God over the past several years, how will your unbelief be removed?
Thanks for answering my questions.The basic pre-tanglbles: the child was about 1 years old; .[...] She presented to us the child's deformed arm, which appeared to be half its normal size. She asked that we would pray for her childs arm, that God would heal it.[...]
upon praying, looking at the deformed arm, it started to grow in length and character, and over a period of about 8 seconds was changed, made whole and normal like the other arm.
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If you have not witnessed a true display of the Heavens Ruling over the natural, are you certain you are asking the right questions?
If you have been in obvious unbelief about God over the past several years, how will your unbelief be removed?
Those are questions to consider in things I will present about the miracle He let me a witness.
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The basic pre-tanglbles: the child was about 1 years old; carried in the mothers arms as she approached me and a friend of mine (from church). My friend did not believe God healed people any more, since the days of the apostles. I knew of God healing people through hearing from other friends but had never firsthand experienced such work of God nor doubted such still occurs. As the mother approached she looked distressed. She presented to us the child's deformed arm, which appeared to be half its normal size. She asked that we would pray for her childs arm, that God would heal it. Under circumstances leading to this point and during the moment I felt concerned and motivated to pray that the arm be made normal.
The miracle: upon praying, looking at the deformed arm, it started to grow in length and character, and over a period of about 8 seconds was changed, made whole and normal like the other arm. After about the first 4 seconds I asked my friend if he was looking at what was happening, since he was located slightly behind me. He acknowledged he was watching.
The basic post-tangibles: the mother weep and praised God. My friend and I were acutely aware God showed up and we had witnessed His Power. Within me an acute thought came of all the people who doubt that God exists, being totally unaware of how He at times and select situations displays Himself through the manifestation of supernatural healing.
My friend knew God showed up in no uncertain way and confessed God still heals. When, where and why we confessed we did not know, but He chose at this moment in time to display healing from on High.
The mother was rejoicing as she walked away. I was sure those close to her were going to be amazed at the healed child's arm. No doubt, amazed.
Now, this was before a select few, and for a select few to firsthand witness. The residual evidence my friend and I carried away was "in heart". It was not so much the change in the physical arm as it was the Power over the frail natural that STOOD OUT! We witnessed Him demonstrate His Power, and how He knew exactly what to do and DID IT.
It has been through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Spiritually Dynamic events like this miracle that makes me confront Naturalists and unbelievers on this forum as being blind to Him on High, His existence, and His Kingdom of Power in our midst, regardless of what "proof" they state that there is no God, that God is a product of past religions and ignorant, superstitious, and imaginary of diluted people. I easily see past their ignorance, and let them know about there error.
You could ask a host of more questions. However, this is the basics of what happened. You will need to understand why you want "details". It relates to what it will take to remove the unbelief you have. Let me say, it is not the tangible physical "facts" that roots Spiritual unbelief: it is witnessing Him. The requirement is you must seek Him to find Him. And through seeking Him in in humbleness. He resists the proud, those who can do without Him. What else will clear your doubt, questions, and all the more keeping you from Him? The Baptism of the Holy Spirit should be the first clear apprehension you will experience that He is on High and letting you clearly know, as only He can do, that He is.
May God bless your days ahead.
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Did this child that was one year old have any exposure to a doctor (or any medical professional) that ever saw the half developed arm and then the fully grown arm later? If so, that doctor would have taken this development and done something with it. Surely, the child had many people witness they had a partially formed limb and later it became fully grown. Pardon the pun, but this story would have grown legs quickly and would have been widely reported.
Well, I am asking the questions that interest me. I don´t know what you mean by "the right questions". "Right" - for which particular purposes, for which preconceived goals?
I was asking just a couple of objective questions. Everything else (particularly the idea that this is about keeping or removing beliefs or unbeliefs) must be projections on your part.
Thanks for answering my questions.
(I deleted the parts that weren´t answers to my questions, and I bolded the part in which you - in thankful honesty - signified your reminscence as being less than objective: "appeared to be").
Now, you don´t happen to have any names, any supporting sources etc.? Just asking - since such an exceptional, sensational event can be expected to have made it to the news (where I don´t recall finding it). After all, it would have - according to your reasoning - finally settled the long discussed question whether a God exists or not.
You know, not that I personally doubt your observations - but (not even knowing you in person) I wouldn´t dare to appeal to your expertise and authority in discussions with die-hard naturalists. These guys seem to be pretty demanding and - in my experience - don´t tend to take "yeah, but some Heissonear guy on the internet said so" for compelling evidence. You know how these naturalists are...
I´m not as skeptical and paranoid as they are; I do take any claim made on the internet for real. It would be pretty presumptious to consider the possibility that anonymous guys on the internet aren´t telling the truth, wouldn´t it? I mean, that would be almost like calling them liars. I really don´t understand how my buddies can be that suspecting.
Do you have any advice how I could possibly convince them?
All the accounts about Jesus in the bible were written by authors born long after Jesus died.
Do you really believe Matt and John wrote Matt and John?
Really?
If so, then you my friend are in denial of the truth.
Most of the books of the new testament were written before the end of the first century. Well before eye witnesses would have died. Some of the eye witnesses themselves went on to be like the disciples and went around preaching and keeping the events alive. Considering there were thousands of witnesses dont you think that some of the writers spoke to some of the people who seen Jesus. Don't you think that if a person was going to write about a person they would talk to some that knew him or to some that knew people who knew him.All the accounts about Jesus in the bible were written by authors born long after Jesus died.
Do you really believe Matt and John wrote Matt and John?
Really?
If so, then you my friend are in denial of the truth.
.Most of the books of the new testament were written before the end of the first century. Well before eye witnesses would have died. Some of the eye witnesses themselves went on to be like the disciples and went around preaching and keeping the events alive. Considering there were thousands of witnesses dont you think that some of the writers spoke to some of the people who seen Jesus. Don't you think that if a person was going to write about a person they would talk to some that knew him or to some that knew people who knew him.
1 Corinthians of Paul have been dated to around 5 years after Christs death. There is little doubt that it was written by Paul and Paul signs off himself in the letters he writes. Paul mentions Luke and Quotes from the Gospels in some of his letters. Books like James and peter have evidence that they were written by them and they were apostles and they state that what they say is the written truth. There is no evidence strong evidence either way for who wrote the book of John but of course skeptical people will quickly jump on the side of disproving it. But there is some credible evidence to say that john did write the book. But then it doesn't matter as much as other books which have more evidence are in line with those books as well. So whoever wrote them either was an eye witness or had access to people who were eye witnesses because what they write is consistent with eye witness accounts.
The Resurrection of Jesus and the Witness of Paul - bethinking.org
Historical figures like Josephus, Pliny, [FONT="]Suetonius, [/FONT][FONT="]Celsus, [/FONT][FONT="]Lucian, [/FONT][FONT="][FONT="]Cornelius Tacitus [/FONT], [/FONT][FONT="]Thallus, and [/FONT][FONT="]Papias to name some all refer to Jesus or the Christians or knew the apostles who were eye witnesses to the events and wrote about it.[/FONT]
Even the Jewish Talmud, certainly not biased toward Jesus, concurs about the major events of his life. From the Talmud, "we learn that Jesus was conceived out of wedlock, gathered disciples, made blasphemous claims about himself, and worked miracles, but these miracles are attributed to sorcery and not to God."9
When you say remove the gospels do you mean the whole bible i assume. If you say there is zero evidence for Jesus with non bible sources then i would expect you are also including all the other books in the bible.There is zero contemporary non-biblical sources for Jesus. Remove the Gospels, and it's like he never existed.
There is zero contemporary non-biblical sources for Jesus. Remove the Gospels, and it's like he never existed.
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