How are we to explain these "miracles?"

Heissonear · Apr 21, 2014

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Multitudes of miracles have been proposed to have happened in our generation.

It has become clear to me the ones who promote unbelief about "miracles" are the ones who have the least information and are the least capable to understand attesting works of God.

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Heissonear · Apr 21, 2014

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Witnessing one miracle dispels all of the nonsense unbelievers state about God and His Power.

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Heissonear · Apr 21, 2014

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Witnessing one miracle shatters Naturalism in a persons life, particularly if they are a geologist.

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quatona · Apr 21, 2014

KWCrazy said:
a devout atheist

Now, that was funny!

Heissonear · Apr 21, 2014

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Those who are full of pride and unbelief do not get to witness miracles from on High. Over time they know the least of what He is up to, in how He is changing peoples lives. They stay in confusion, error, and extreme ignorance.

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bhsmte · Apr 21, 2014

Heissonear said:
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Multitudes of miracles have been proposed to have happened in our generation.

It has become clear to me the ones who promote unbelief about "miracles" are the ones who have the least information and are the least capable to understand attesting works of God.

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Proposing miracles is one thing, providing evidence is another.

TLK Valentine · Apr 21, 2014

Heissonear said:
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Multitudes of miracles have been proposed to have happened in our generation.

And none of them have ever gotten past the "proposal" stage.

Nithavela · Apr 21, 2014

To believe in miracles, first you have to believe in miracles.

HitchSlap · Apr 21, 2014

bhsmte said:
Proposing miracles is one thing, providing evidence is another.

He did... sorta'... he said he saw a few miracles.

That counts, right?

Heissonear · Apr 22, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
And none of them have ever gotten past the "proposal" stage.

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You are wanting to state that NONE have ever occurred. You know that IF only one miracle has truely occurred then your agnostic position is error, the Power manifested to perform the miracle introduced the element that not all things can be explained by natural physio-chemical processes. God must exist. Power and life above the natural exists.

Not only has He manifested Himself to me through the Baptism of the Spirit but he has included me to bear witness of several miracles: where Power from on High rules over the natural.

One of those occasions was seeing a young child's deformed arm grow in length and become whole and normal. This one single miracle overturns your world. Your "there is no proof of God" position in life is just an illusion you have from having a root of unbelief in your heart.

If you would have sought Him you would have found Him. You are without excuse, by those who have found Him His way rather than the worldly or doctrinal way.

This is good news, although you will have to change your ways to find Him.

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Heissonear · Apr 22, 2014

bhsmte said:
Proposing miracles is one thing, providing evidence is another.

Besides experiencing the Baptism of the Spirit, I have witnessed several miracles, where Power from on High rules over the natural.

Who does not have evidence?

What evidence did I receive, book knowledge? Parrot what some else has said?

He allowed me to witness several manifestations where Power from on High rules over the natural.

What kind of evidence do I have that you do not?

I am a witness of Him, and His Power. You are worldly in your search and request for evidence. All you have to give others in truth and integrity is unbelief and no apprehension of His Kingdom and working in our midst. You promote blindness.

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bhsmte · Apr 22, 2014

Heissonear said:
Besides experiencing the Baptism of the Spirit, I have witnessed several miracles, where Power from on High rules over the natural.

Who does not have evidence?

What evidence did I receive, book knowledge? Parrot what some else has said?

He allowed me to witness several manifestations where Power from on High rules over the natural.

What kind of evidence do I have that you do not?

I am a witness of Him, and His Power. You are worldly in your search and request for evidence. All you have to give others in truth and integrity is unbelief and no apprehension of His Kingdom and working in our midst. You promote blindness.

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Good for you.

Paulos23 · Apr 22, 2014

Heissonear said:
Besides experiencing the Baptism of the Spirit, I have witnessed several miracles, where Power from on High rules over the natural.

Who does not have evidence?

What evidence did I receive, book knowledge? Parrot what some else has said?

He allowed me to witness several manifestations where Power from on High rules over the natural.

What kind of evidence do I have that you do not?

I am a witness of Him, and His Power. You are worldly in your search and request for evidence. All you have to give others in truth and integrity is unbelief and no apprehension of His Kingdom and working in our midst. You promote blindness.

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Fine, but until you can provide evidence instead of just words your claims are unsupported. Don't be surprised that others do not believe you.

quatona · Apr 22, 2014

Heissonear said:
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You are wanting to state that NONE have ever occurred. You know that IF only one miracle has truely occurred then your agnostic position is error,

No, the agnostic position can´t be in error.

the Power manifested to perform the miracle introduced the element that not all things can be explained by natural physio-chemical processes.

Yes - if the definition of "miracle" is "an event that can´t be explained by natural physio-chemical processes" your statement is tautologically true.

God must exist.

Well, THAT wouldn´t follow at all.

Not only has He manifested Himself to me through the Baptism of the Spirit but he has included me to bear witness of several miracles: where Power from on High rules over the natural.

That´s great. The, for you, uncomfortable part, though, is that an anonymous poster on an internet forum bearing witness of exceptional events is practically indistinguishable from a charlatan, a troll, a guy who´s pulling people´s chains.

One of those occasions was seeing a young child's deformed arm grow in length and become whole and normal. This one single miracle overturns your world.

Well, not really. It certainly would raise a lot of questions with me, it would prompt me to reconsider a couple of positions I hold, but it would not overturn my world exactly. To be honest, I would find that very thrilling and inspiring.
But we are speaking hypothetically, anyway. All I have so far is the unsupported, unevidenced claim of a stranger on the internet - and we all know that such claims made in the internet aren´t reliable. If I believed everything people claim on the internet...

Your "there is no proof of God" position in life is just an illusion you have from having a root of unbelief in your heart. [/quote}
Not "is" - "would be" (if such an event would happen to me, or if someone would provide me with intersubjective evidence of such an event)!
And no: Such an event would certainly poke some holes in some theories and basic assumptions about the world - but there´d still be a long way from "someone has spontaneously regrown a limb" to "there´s proof of God".

selfinflikted · Apr 22, 2014

Le sigh. That "arm lengthening" and "leg lengthening" trick is a well-established fraud. You can look it up on youtubez.

Nithavela · Apr 22, 2014

Heissonear said:
Besides experiencing the Baptism of the Spirit, I have witnessed several miracles, where Power from on High rules over the natural.

No you didn't, you are making this up out of whole cloth.

Who does not have evidence?

What evidence did I receive, book knowledge? Parrot what some else has said?

You don't have evidence.

He allowed me to witness several manifestations where Power from on High rules over the natural.

What kind of evidence do I have that you do not?

I am a witness of Him, and His Power. You are worldly in your search and request for evidence. All you have to give others in truth and integrity is unbelief and no apprehension of His Kingdom and working in our midst. You promote blindness.

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I'm sure if your God existed, he'd be real proud of you lying until the silverware turns black to support him.

quatona · Apr 22, 2014

Heissonear said:
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One of those occasions was seeing a young child's deformed arm grow in length and become whole and normal.

Now, that´s a thrilling report! Could you give us some details? In which way and to what degree was the child´s arm deformed? How much length was missing (e.g. compared to the other arm)? How much length did it grow? How much time did the process take? Where and when did this take place? What was the situation? Was it just some child on the street, or was there something significant in the setting that made you (and/or other witnesses) expect the arm to grow? Etc. etc. All details and information are extremely welcome!

bhsmte · Apr 22, 2014

quatona said:
Now, that´s a thrilling report! Could you give us some details? In which way and to what degree was the child´s arm deformed? How much length was missing (e.g. compared to the other arm)? How much length did it grow? How much time did the process take? Where and when did this take place? What was the situation? Was it just some child on the street, or was there something significant in the setting that made you (and/or other witnesses) expect the arm to grow? Etc. etc. All details and information are extremely welcome!

I think what you will likely get, is more preaching, for even doubting his claims.

quatona · Apr 22, 2014

bhsmte said:
I think what you will likely get, is more preaching, for even doubting his claims.

I am afraid that I´ll get more of those ipse dixit´s, even though I didn´t doubt his claims. These ipse dixit´s are likely to be coupled with appeals to H´s own authority and expertise as well as appeals to the incompetence of his target group. Some preachings may kick in occasionally, though - I´ll give you that.
But he deserves every chance to come up with anything that has some meat to it, don´t you think? Of course, he is always entitled to refuse the offer, and instead to continue with his empty rhethoric...

Heissonear · Apr 22, 2014

bhsmte said:
I think what you will likely get, is more preaching, for even doubting his claims.

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When someone teaches you about something you have no clue about why call this preaching instead of teaching or educating.

Is there something wrong with educating someone in ignorance?

Have YOU witnessed the Heavens rule over the natural? If you haven't and someone has, on this forum can the one who has present matters against those in unbelief, who persistently promote Naturalism, their position where there is no need for a god or the supernatural to explain every event that happening on earth?

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