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How do you know that the accounts attributed to Matthew and John were actually written by them?
I read it in a magazine article somewhere, and no not a christian magazine or publication either, (U.S. news, I think it was) that said that due to the determined time and date written they were most likely written by them.
Why would there be?There simply isn't any contempory historical records of Jesus.
Why would there be?
With the Romans investing a good chunk of their assets to squelch Christianity before it ever got started, I would imagine it would be the death penalty for anyone having such records in their possession.
In addition, so effective was Saul of Tarsus, that it would be suicide to have anything lying around.
Acts 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
The impact wasn't minimal?Isn't it a rather strange thing for God to reveal Himself in such a way (through Christ) in an environment where the impact would be minimal? Why do that?
There simply isn't any contempory historical records of Jesus.
In Jewish Antiquities 18.63-64 Josephus gives a short summary statement on Jesus. Scholars have debated the historical merits of this passage, some (few, now) maintaining that the whole is authentic, others (another minority), that the whole is a Christian interpolation, that is, a passage written into the manuscript by a later Christian scribe. Most scholars currently incline to see the passage as basically authentic, with a few later insertions by a Christian scribe. The passage rendered below follows the editorial judgments and English translation of John Meier.
'At this time there appeared Jesus, a wise man. For he was a doer of startling deeds, a teacher of people who receive the truth with pleasure. And he gained a following both among many Jews and among many of Greek origin. And when Pilate, because of an accusation made by the leading men among us, condemned him to the cross those who had loved him previously did not cease to do so. And up until this very day the tribe of Christians , named after him, has not died out'." (Paula Fredriksen)
Isn't it a rather strange thing for God to reveal Himself in such a way (through Christ) in an environment where the impact would be minimal? Why do that?
Isn't it a rather strange thing for God to reveal Himself in such a way (through Christ) in an environment where the impact would be minimal? Why do that?
I wouldn't exactly say that the impact has been minimal, would you? It would be difficult to think of anybody who has had a greater influence upon the course of world history.
Why would there be?
With the Romans investing a good chunk of their assets to squelch Christianity before it ever got started, I would imagine it would be the death penalty for anyone having such records in their possession.
In addition, so effective was Saul of Tarsus, that it would be suicide to have anything lying around.
Acts 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
Why would there be?
With the Romans investing a good chunk of their assets to squelch Christianity before it ever got started, I would imagine it would be the death penalty for anyone having such records in their possession.
In addition, so effective was Saul of Tarsus, that it would be suicide to have anything lying around.
Acts 8:3 As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
There are extrabiblical sources mentioning Jesus or Paul; and I have a feeling you know that.There is zero extrabiblical sources mentioning Jesus or Paul, although it's generally accepted Paul was a real individual. At any rate, you'd think there be at least some extrabiblical confirmation of a man who supposedly changed the world, yet nary a scant. Makes you go hmmmm....
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Trouble with apprehension?
When God displays His Power from on High, and a young child's limb extends in length and becomes whole and normal in a few seconds time, the Power from on High is then over, right? What created and caused the miracle is over. At that point in time would it be the beginning or the end of facts and evidence? Is it Spiritual or physical facts and evidence that is to be sought? This is where many posters have showed their ignorance and worldly value system, what they have and still walk by in value of substances.
So far your posts show you and others do not get it.
The "taste", the "apprehension", the "substance" that remains after the miracle is on the hearts of those who He allowed to firsthand "witness Him" and "witness His Power". To learn about the "miracle" requires the substance to be presented from the hearts of those witnesses. Again, it's not AFTER the arm is grown and whole, the residual physical evidence, but the evidence is all that had and did happen to the arm; the Intelligence and Power manifested from on High, the display of a dimension Above and beyond anything natural.
Again, what do you seek? What facts do you seek? Worldly or Spiritual? In times past, by following the course and ways of those who are worldly, it's been the "residual physical" OVER the Spiritual Substance in Heart.
What will remove the unbelief in your hearts? Examining what residual "physical evidence" remains? You think that is what God intends to "leave behind" for you to be converted? He knows it is the manifestation of Power you have missed. You are still not apprehending Spiritually. Rather you are use to looking for the wrong evidence and facts. God does not leave clear, obvious, and magnitudes of worldly facts for turning people to Him. What would you be turning to? Worldly facts? Again, posts requesting proof are from Spiritually Barren individuals. Worldly facts is their methodology to walk and talk by. The Spiritual Realm Dynamics they are void of. What would change? Zero. Read Matthew 16:13-17, for this within the Scriptures, the physical realm witnesses or the Spiritual Realm witnesses, the later being what the Church (believers) are built on.
Do you now happen to realize how you have trashed facts, calling his witnesses with substance from Him in their heart liars. What was trashed? What do they have? Who put it there? Did they put it there?
What are you unfamiliar of has incalculable more weight and value than your worldly methodology evidence? Again, you need to wake up from Spiritual ignorance, and living in Spiritual Poverty and Barrenness.
When God choses to work miracles again, who will He come to? To those who trash Spiritual Apprehension and seek tangible physical facts as sufficient proof, or those who seek Who He is, and the substance of What He does? Is it not worldly minded people who continue in unbelief after hearing of miracles? You think they just need physical facts?
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There's no evidence for this assertion either. Christianity wasn't even a blip on the Roman empire radar. They were mostly concerned with keeping the Jews under their thumb, and didn't have time for upstart "prophets" and the like and it seems they were a dime a dozen popping up everywhere. There is zero extrabiblical sources mentioning Jesus or Paul, although it's generally accepted Paul was a real individual. At any rate, you'd think there be at least some extrabiblical confirmation of a man who supposedly changed the world, yet nary a scant. Makes you go hmmmm....
Your credulity does not impress me..
Your words are mere words. You present confusion and error.
One miracle from Jesus overturns your "no god - no spiritual world".
I have witnessed Him, His Spirit, and attesting miracles. Miracles that cannot be explained by the natural world.
You are ignorant of the Spiritual Dynamics that are around us. All you can reply is denial and unbelief. You cannot overturn those who have witnessed miracles. There is no worldly evidence that you could present that could overturned what they have witnessed on earth.
God's Kingdom consists of Power. Miracles attest to this, not men's mere words.
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Your credulity does not impress me.
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