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How are traditional causes of belief reliable in acquiring knowledge?

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Our minds are prone to illusions, fallacies, and superstitions. For instance, people place a heavy reliance on eyewitness testimony despite being embarrassingly unreliable. We have a tendency to place heavy trust in our senses despite its failures as well as our mental failures which interpret these inputs. A good example is holding a pencil on one end, moving it up and down and swearing that you see its ends flap. Our minds often fail to produce accurate portrayals of reality in its raw state and the problem is further compounded by our susceptibility to fall prey to fallacious reasoning.

So to understand the world, we have to cultivate work-arounds for our cognitive limitations, including skepticism, open debate, formal precision, and empirical tests, often requiring feats of ingenuity. But these seem to run counter to traditionally religious epistemologies.

How do most of the traditional causes of belief—faith, revelation, dogma, authority, charisma, conventional wisdom, the invigorating glow of subjective certainty—eliminate, rather than generate, such errors as outlined above and how do they lead us to uncontaminated knowledge?
 

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How do most of the traditional causes of belief—faith, revelation, dogma, authority, charisma, conventional wisdom, the invigorating glow of subjective certainty—eliminate, rather than generate, such errors as outlined above and how do they lead us to uncontaminated knowledge?

IMO, they don't.
 
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God doesn't require our minds be perfectly work
That doesn't answer the question. There are better ways to acquire knowledge than others. Blinding trusting authority is worse than skeptical inquiry and repeated testing, for instance.

When you see a miracle done, it gives the speaker an integrity that "yes this person is authentic in what they say about Jesus". It surpasses the average preacher that simply repeats verses hoping someone will get it.
How do you know the miracle is an actual miracle as opposed to a cheap trick? And how do you know that the miracles of the Bible are true? After all, they are assertions written in a book. The fact that they weren't written down by eyewitnesses is the least of the problems.
 
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Ha...you understood my incomplete sentence. So how would you suggest we acquire proof of the supernatural (God)? Or, perhaps I'm not understanding your question.
That doesn't answer the question. There are better ways to acquire knowledge than others. Blinding trusting authority is worse than skeptical inquiry and repeated testing, for instance.


How do you know the miracle is an actual miracle as opposed to a cheap trick? And how do you know that the miracles of the Bible are true? After all, they are assertions written in a book. The fact that they weren't written down by eyewitnesses is the least of the problems.
 
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Ha...you understood my incomplete sentence. So how would you suggest we acquire proof of the supernatural (God)? Or, perhaps I'm not understanding your question.

Heb 11:1 Now Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is a gift from God. Back in the day we went out into the woods, fasted and prayed and asked for it and wrestled with God refusing to let go until blessed.
 
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"Miracle" is a subjective term. In charasmatic circles everything is a miracle, for example. The problem isn't so much with the belief that the thing that happened (is the miracle / the supernatural)--the problems occur when people assert that the subjective experience will be reliable in everyone's opinion. I call this the nuttiness factor; using subjective experience to assert proof of the supernatural.

Personally, however, I see small answers to prayer as "miraculous" but I don't assert them as factual or proof of God to those who don't believe, as they're personal experiences, and the end result of them should be willingness to be more giving and compassionate toward others, not cause us to becone professional experts on God.
 
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Isn't that an oxymoron?

How so?

Psalms 47:7
For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

1 Tim 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
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That doesn't answer the question. There are better ways to acquire knowledge than others. Blinding trusting authority is worse than skeptical inquiry and repeated testing, for instance.


How do you know the miracle is an actual miracle as opposed to a cheap trick? And how do you know that the miracles of the Bible are true? After all, they are assertions written in a book. The fact that they weren't written down by eyewitnesses is the least of the problems.
Because when someone who has been medically diagnosed as deaf, and cannot hear, then they can after prayer, I know its a miracle.
 
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How so?

Psalms 47:7
For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.

1 Tim 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I was thinking of the defintion of knowledge: justified true belief.
 
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Because when someone who has been medically diagnosed as deaf, and cannot hear, then they can after prayer, I know its a miracle.
Here's an example of why that line of reasoning is flawed.

Say you are currently suffering from a massive headache. Your kindly grandmother suggests you take one of her own herbal remedies that has been "time-tested." You take the supposed remedy and a few minutes later your headache is gone. It worked, right? Not necessarily.

That one thing happens in sequential order to another does not prove that A caused B. You've seriously never heard of the phrase "correlation does not necessarily imply causation"? In my example, it *could* be the case that the herbal remedy caused the headache to go away. It could also be the case, however, that the headache was going to go away anyway and it just coincided with the supposed remedy. In your example you're talking about something much more extraordinary, and you immediately circumvent any other possible explanation and immediately land on the most phantasmagorical one without so much as an explanation as to why you feel confident other variables weren't at play here.

Can you show me where you get that definition from?
Justified True Belief
 
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