How and when is the AntiChrist sealed in the bottomless pit before Revelation 17?

[Sheilaw]

Hi Sheilaw,

Revelation 13:1,2,5,7 of the beast rising out of the sea, is the EXACT same prophecy of Daniel 2:40,41, 44,45: 7:1-28, which was fulfilled, at the First Advent (Lu.1:33, 2:1,19, John 12:34; Rev. 5:5-13; 11:15, 20:4).

Lady Goodnews,

Hello,

Please clarify how Jesus's 1st advent fulfilment (Lu.1:33, 2:1,19, John 12:34; Rev. 5:5-13; is seen by yourself as fulfilling the Beasts prophecies

of Revelation 13:1,2,5,7 etc.

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Hello,

Please clarify how Jesus's 1st advent fulfilment (Lu.1:33, 2:1,19, John 12:34; Rev. 5:5-13; is seen by yourself as fulfilling the Beasts prophecies

of Revelation 13:1,2,5,7 etc.

Hi Sheilaw,

I will try to clarify!

Remember, Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the great image!

Daniel 2:32 this images's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

34 Thou sawest till that "a stone" was cut out "without hands," which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 THEN was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces TOGETHER, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and "the stone" that smote the image Became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

40 And the Fourth Kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and Bruise.

44 And in "the days" of these Kings shall SHALL the God of heaven "set up a kingdom," which shall NEVER be destroyed: and the kingdom shall NOT be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume ALL these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that "the stone" was cut out of the mountain "without hands," and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass HEREAFTER: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

...the days of these kings (Dan. 2:44) are the days of the First Advent (Matt. 2:1,2; Lu. 1:32,33), the time when the Kingdom of heaven was "set up" (Isa. 9:6,7; Matt. 3:1,2, Rev. 5:5-13).

Jesus is "the stone" cut out without hands, that became a great mountain, which smote the image upon the foot, destroying the Fourth Kingdom and the little horn (Dan. 7:3,7-14, 16-27), Beast of (Rev. 13:1-7).

Compare (Dan. 7:11, Rev. 19:20)!


Lady Goodnews,

 

[FreeinChrist]

Jesus is "the stone" cut out without hands, that became a great mountain, which smote the image upon the foot, destroying the Fourth Kingdom and the little horn (Dan. 7:3,7-14, 16-27), Beast of (Rev. 13:1-7).

Compare (Dan. 7:11, Rev. 19:20)!

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it {is} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes {are} a flame of fire, and on His head {are} many diadems; and He has a name written {on Him} which no one knows except Himself.
Rev 19:13 {He is} clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white {and} clean, were following Him on white horses.
Rev 19:15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
Rev 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
Rev 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
Rev 19:18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great."
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

How was the above passage fulfilled by the first advent?

 

[ikester]

the ten toes....the final gentile empire has yet to be fulfilled.....

Daniel chapter 11 is future as well.....the scenario wasn't fulfilled in the first century...

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it {is} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes {are} a flame of fire, and on His head {are} many diadems; and He has a name written {on Him} which no one knows except Himself.
Rev 19:13 {He is} clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white {and} clean, were following Him on white horses.
Rev 19:15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
Rev 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
Rev 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
Rev 19:18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great."
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

How was the above passage fulfilled by the first advent?

Hi FreeinChrist,

I did not say Revelation 19:11-21, was fulfilled at the First Advent!

Lady Goodnews

 

[FreeinChrist]

44 And in "the days" of these Kings shall SHALL the God of heaven "set up a kingdom," which shall NEVER be destroyed: and the kingdom shall NOT be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume ALL these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that "the stone" was cut out of the mountain "without hands," and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass HEREAFTER: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

...the days of these kings (Dan. 2:44) are the days of the First Advent (Matt. 2:1,2; Lu. 1:32,33), the time when the Kingdom of heaven was "set up" (Isa. 9:6,7; Matt. 3:1,2, Rev. 5:5-13).

Jesus is "the stone" cut out without hands, that became a great mountain, which smote the image upon the foot, destroying the Fourth Kingdom and the little horn (Dan. 7:3,7-14, 16-27), Beast of (Rev. 13:1-7).

Compare (Dan. 7:11, Rev. 19:20)!

Jesus is "the stone" cut out without hands, that became a great mountain, which smote the image upon the foot, destroying the Fourth Kingdom and the little horn (Dan. 7:3,7-14, 16-27), Beast of (Rev. 13:1-7).


Compare (Dan. 7:11, Rev. 19:20)!

Looks like you think Rev. 19:20 was fulfilled at the first advent. Is that what you believe?

 

[jbarker28]

Hello everyone,

Wow... there are some really different views in here... There are interpretations of scripture that I would never have even guessed at in a thousand years...

To answer the question of the original poster regarding the Beast of Revelations 17, it is Anti-Christ himself... the eighth beast who goes into perdition is the "Son of Perdition" (Jhn 17:12, 2Th2:3)... the seven heads are seven mountains (or continents) and 10 rulers (or nations) who all share a common theme (money, religious Idolatry) and by whom the way is paved for the world to be deceived by anti-christ...

I'm just curious if anyone here understands Jesus's parable of the Fig Tree?

In faith and peace,

Joshua

 

[Linda8]

Hello everyone,

Wow... there are some really different views in here... There are interpretations of scripture that I would never have even guessed at in a thousand years...

To answer the question of the original poster regarding the Beast of Revelations 17, it is Anti-Christ himself... the eighth beast who goes into perdition is the "Son of Perdition" (Jhn 17:12, 2Th2:3)... the seven heads are seven mountains (or continents) and 10 rulers (or nations) who all share a common theme (money, religious Idolatry) and by whom the way is paved for the world to be deceived by anti-christ...

I'm just curious if anyone here understands Jesus's parable of the Fig Tree?

In faith and peace,

Joshua

What is the justification of using that term called Anti Christ.?

The final evil one is merely evil and that is not treated as the means

of naming a human as the anti christ. The Beast is evil but what is this

idea of labelling the evil Beast , the anti christ??

Are there different types of anti christs apart from what the Bible teaches

about what an anti christ human is?

 

[Lady Goodnews]

Jesus is "the stone" cut out without hands, that became a great mountain, which smote the image upon the foot, destroying the Fourth Kingdom and the little horn (Dan. 7:3,7-14, 16-27), Beast of (Rev. 13:1-7).


Compare (Dan. 7:11, Rev. 19:20)!

Looks like you think Rev. 19:20 was fulfilled at the first advent. Is that what you believe?

YES! Strictly based upon the Scriptures and the words of Jesus;

Luke 24:44 And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that ALL THINGS must be fulfilled, which were WRITTEN in the law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, "concerning" Me.

45 Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the Scriptures.

The prophet (Dan. 2:44,45; 7:3, 7-14, 16-27) was speaking "concerning" Jesus, First Advent!


I Challenge you, to find anything written in the law of Moses, the prophets (Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, etc.) and the Psalms, "concerning" Jesus which have NOT been fulfilled!


Lady Goodnews

 

[Lady Goodnews]

the ten toes....the final gentile empire has yet to be fulfilled.....

Daniel chapter 11 is future as well.....the scenario wasn't fulfilled in the first century...

Hi Ikester,

Re: the ten toes...the final gentile empire, and it's fulfillment!

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the THRONES were cast down, and the Ancient of days did "sit," whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His THRONE was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and "the books" were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which "the horn" spake: I beheld even till "the Beast was SLAIN" and his body DESTROYED, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the REST of the Beast, they had their DOMINION "taken away": Yet their LIVES were "prolonged" for a season.

Hope that explains!

Lady Goodnews

P.S. Re: Daniel 11, I believe it have been fulfilled!

 

[Laserman]

Garry,

I'm not sure I agree completely with Your Historicist view of the book of Revalation. There is nothing definitive in the book to say the Beast is only Rome of that time, or Nero or whatever. That could be one element of truth. It surely would have been applicable to the people living at that time. But that doesn't leave much for us today except history does it? It very well could be both a futurist and historicist perception. Rome of 70 AD could be a type or foreshadow of a future -personal Anti-Christ. When I was a dispensational Baptist I thought I was so sure about these things. But the More I learn, the more I question. I tend to take two fold view of this idea of Anti-Christ. Looking at the world today in the news it would seem that some dispensational claims are not all wrong. There seems to be a one World Goverment on the rise and a coming together of the world thru the internet, banking, Goverment courts ect. Satan taking the helm of such a situation for a limited period of Time " Loosed for a little season" is not all that far fetched. But I don't see Israel as the aim for persecution. I see the church being persecuted in the Tribulation with the 2nd coming and the new Heavens and new earth following. It's alot to digest and not make a mistake .

Barry