House releases overview of evidence against Biden

[KCfromNC]

If their intent was to somehow interfere in the election it didn’t work

Maybe, or perhaps there were even more votes for Biden that went uncounted. Perhaps he should have been calling various state officials imploring them to find more votes for him?

Then at least this thread which was supposed to be overflowing with evidence showing Biden did something wrong would have something other than posts trying to distract from the complete lack of that alleged evidence.

 

[KCfromNC]

It’s ridiculous to think that people can’t afford ID. A library card is accepted

But not student IDs, for some strange reason. Or in my state, the IDs which are easiest for minority voters to get.

But in any case, if IDs are so cheap, why would there possibly be any objection to giving them out for free to people who need them. Certainly the minor extra expense would be well worth it to guarantee election security. If that's actually the goal of GOP voter suppression, uh, I mean ID laws.

 

[The Barbarian]

The problem is that efforts to ensure there are honest elections are labeled as voter suppression.

Well, let's take a look... Here's the republican leader of the Pennsylvania House, touting an ID law that he thinks will rig the election for republicans:

“We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to committee members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature.

“Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done.”

Turzai: Voter ID Law Means Romney Can Win PA - PoliticsPA

Speaking at the Republican state committee meeting Saturday, House Majority Leader Mike Turzai said that Voter ID will “allow Governor Romney to win” Pennsylvania as he ticked off a list of GOP accomplishments in Harrisburg.

www.politicspa.com

As I said, it worked, but it didn't work well enough; Romney lost Pennsylvania.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/06/14/gops-increasingly-blunt-argument-it-needs-voting-restrictions-win/

They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends.

Justin Clark, a senior political adviser and senior counsel to Trump’s re-election campaign, made the remarks about voter suppression on 21 November as part of a wide-ranging discussion about strategies in the 2020 campaign, including more aggressive use of monitoring of polling places on election day in November 2020.

“Traditionally it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes in places,” Clark said at the event. “Let’s start protecting our voters. We know where they are ... Let’s start playing offense a little bit. That’s what you’re going to see in 2020. It’s going to be a much bigger program, a much more aggressive program, a much better-funded program.”

Trump says Republicans would ‘never’ be elected again if it was easier to vote

President dismissed Democratic-led push for voter reforms amid coronavirus pandemic during Fox & Friends appearance

www.theguardian.com

It's traditional:
June 2007 republican organizer Paul Wyrich admits that republicans need voter suppression to win:

"Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

Paul Weyrich - Wikiquote

en.wikiquote.org

And listening to republicans since 2020, is their conclusion; "we didn't cheat hard enough."

 

[The Barbarian]

It’s ridiculous to think that people can’t afford ID. A library card is accepted

Not in many states. And by law the ID has to be free. In Wisconsin republicans tried to get around that by very tightly limited office hours and by placing offices far from poor or minority neighborhoods.

 

[Aldebaran]

You can't think of any other election Biden ran in that wasn't against other Democrats? Perhaps one where a Republican was on the ticket? Somewhere around the year 2020 perhaps? Close to the November month time frame?

When you finally figure that out, once again, double plus ouch that such a weak candidate like Biden won that election. Says a lot about the others running doesn't it?

If you have a specific election in mind, then be specific about it.

 

[Aldebaran]

Get the GOP to make a policy to give a photo ID to anyone who wants it completely free of charge.

That's already been done, and those who don't vote with the GOP still complain on the idea that having a photo ID is "racist".
Any other ideas?

 

[Bradskii]

That's already been done, and those who don't vote with the GOP still complain on the idea that having a photo ID is "racist".
Any other ideas?

Ignore the idiots who think so and make it official policy. Don't use other people's views as your excuse for not doing it.

 

[BPPLEE]

But not student IDs, for some strange reason. Or in my state, the IDs which are easiest for minority voters to get.

But in any case, if IDs are so cheap, why would there possibly be any objection to giving them out for free to people who need them. Certainly the minor extra expense would be well worth it to guarantee election security. If that's actually the goal of GOP voter suppression, uh, I mean ID laws.

I would be in favor of free IDs and they accept any photo ID in my state and other documents if you don’t have a photo ID

 

[BPPLEE]

Maybe, or perhaps there were even more votes for Biden that went uncounted. Perhaps he should have been calling various state officials imploring them to find more votes for him?

Then at least this thread which was supposed to be overflowing with evidence showing Biden did something wrong would have something other than posts trying to distract from the complete lack of that alleged evidence.

If, maybe and perhaps often preceed fantasies

 

[USincognito]

But not student IDs, for some strange reason. Or in my state, the IDs which are easiest for minority voters to get.

But in any case, if IDs are so cheap, why would there possibly be any objection to giving them out for free to people who need them. Certainly the minor extra expense would be well worth it to guarantee election security. If that's actually the goal of GOP voter suppression, uh, I mean ID laws.

This is from 2016.

I've said in the past voter ID isn't about preventing the wrong people from voting, it's about trying to limit voting to the "right" people.

 

[The Barbarian]

I would be in favor of free IDs and they accept any photo ID in my state and other documents if you don’t have a photo ID

The problem for republicans is that if IDs were free and readily obtainable, that would defeat the whole purpose of requiring IDs. If anyone could easily obtain an ID for voting, it wouldn't suppress voting at all.

 

[Aldebaran]

The problem for republicans is that if IDs were free and readily obtainable, that would defeat the whole purpose of requiring IDs. If anyone could easily obtain an ID for voting, it wouldn't suppress voting at all.

Are you still pushing that false narrative that Republicans don't want people to vote? Doesn't that get old?

 

[KCfromNC]

I would be in favor of free IDs and they accept any photo ID in my state and other documents if you don’t have a photo ID

That's nice, but in my state GOP legislators went out of their way to research which forms of ID minority voters were least likely to have or be able to get and mandated those were the only ones allowed.

 

[KCfromNC]

This is from 2016.

And we all know the GOP has become way more moderate since then...

 

[USincognito]

Are you still pushing that false narrative that Republicans don't want people to vote? Doesn't that get old?

What "false narrative"? People are just taking conservatives at their own words

In 1980 Paul Wyrick said, “I don’t want everybody to vote . . . our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

I haven't seen anything that's changed since then.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

If you have a specific election in mind, then be specific about it.

Let's try that again, without being troll level disingenuous.

You can't think of any other election Biden ran in that wasn't against other Democrats? Perhaps one where a Republican was on the ticket? Somewhere around the year 2020 perhaps? Close to the November month time frame?

When you finally figure that out, once again, double plus ouch that such a weak candidate like Biden won that election. Says a lot about the others running doesn't it?

 

[The Barbarian]

If, maybe and perhaps often preceed fantasies

A case in point, is the "Cyberninjas" recount in Arizona. They finally admitted that they found no significant cheating for Biden. In fact, Biden actually got more votes than the initial count gave him. The fantasies of the Trump people evaporated as each recount showed.

 

[Aldebaran]

What "false narrative"? People are just taking conservatives at their own words

In 1980 Paul Wyrick said, “I don’t want everybody to vote . . . our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

I haven't seen anything that's changed since then.

If you have to go back 43 years to find a conservative saying that, I can come up with far more examples of democrats saying far worse, and far more recently.

 

[Aldebaran]

Let's try that again, without being troll level disingenuous.

Repeating the question is just spamming, not clarifying or being more specific.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Repeating the question is just spamming, not clarifying or being more specific.

Or you could answer the question. Literally the first one is a yes or no. Try that.