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Is salvation always instantaneous? Or is it sometimes a process?

For example, Abdu Murry had a long process before he left Islam and converted to Christianity.

I wonder if, even in the process of Abdu's salvation, there was ever a particular point where he went from unsaved to saved.

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Is salvation always instantaneous? Or is it sometimes a process?

For example, Abdu Murry had a long process before he left Islam and converted to Christianity.

I wonder if, even in the process of Abdu's salvation, there was ever a particular point where he went from unsaved to saved.

Thanks for any replies.
This will probably not be the popular answer, but I think we should have hope we are saved. I do think we can believe in our salvation through faith, but we won't know for sure until Jesus comes and He made that very clear.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

This passage by Jesus tells us there will be many who will call on the name of the Lord on that great day saying "Lord Lord" these are believers who thought they were saved, who thought they could do their will over God's and that they could practice lawlessness. How many people teach today who claim to be believers but teach Jesus put an end to the law, so we no longer need to obey. Sadly most churches are teaching billions of people this fallacy.

If we follow the scripture and let it be a lamp to our path Psalms 119:105 it will guide us into all Truth, but so many place their will above the Word of God and try to convince themselves it is God's will when God's Word says otherwise. They place traditions above God's commandments despite Jesus telling us otherwise Matthew 15:3-9. Salvation is not a secret, God's gives us His Word, but many think they can do what they want over God's lighted narrow path. Psalms 119:105
 
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Is salvation always instantaneous? Or is it sometimes a process?

For example, Abdu Murry had a long process before he left Islam and converted to Christianity.

I wonder if, even in the process of Abdu's salvation, there was ever a particular point where he went from unsaved to saved.

Thanks for any replies.
From My Experience when I was Blessed with the LORDS Holy Spirit and Was OVERFLOWING within with the Wonderful Living water,
in those few days were he was so Vivid and all I could feel was him from head to toe,
those few days I was heaven worthy,
It lasted For 3 days.
That Whole time I "burnt"
 
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The process to it can take a while .....Once you are at that point of Romans _10:9 ....salvation itself is instantaneous.
I agree, after the initial Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
Everything was different,
i had a "fire In me" but it wasn't the way it was when i was first baptized.
At first it was so vivid I could feel the LORDS Spirit Shimmering as a calm body of water swirling within me from head to toe was quite a remarkable experience.
Likely the Most remarkable one I've ever had
 
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Is salvation always instantaneous? Or is it sometimes a process?

For example, Abdu Murry had a long process before he left Islam and converted to Christianity.

I wonder if, even in the process of Abdu's salvation, there was ever a particular point where he went from unsaved to saved.

Thanks for any replies.
I think it’s both in a way. We ask the Lord to forgive us and the journey starts there. We can have a belief in Jesus but do we truly live our lives according to that belief? Paul calls it a race for a reason and also, remember the rich man who believed but ended up walking away. In the end, God knows our hearts.
 
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Is salvation always instantaneous? Or is it sometimes a process?

For example, Abdu Murry had a long process before he left Islam and converted to Christianity.

I wonder if, even in the process of Abdu's salvation, there was ever a particular point where he went from unsaved to saved.

Thanks for any replies.
I believe it can be both. I know people, including my leading elder, who did not have a spontaneous conversion. I believe the Twelve, unlike Paul, also had this experience too.
 
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Is salvation always instantaneous? Or is it sometimes a process?

For example, Abdu Murry had a long process before he left Islam and converted to Christianity.

I wonder if, even in the process of Abdu's salvation, there was ever a particular point where he went from unsaved to saved.

Thanks for any replies.

Salvation is always a process. Reading the new testament you'll see that first comes belief, then comes repentance, then water baptism, then chrismation. A person can believe, but that is not enough. See the account of the men of Alexandria at Acts 18:24- 19:7. They believed, but were not saved. The men of Samaria at Acts 8:5-15 believed and were baptized in water but were not saved. So it is always a process.
 
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Salvation is always a process. Reading the new testament you'll see that first comes belief, then comes repentance, then water baptism, then chrismation. A person can believe, but that is not enough. See the account of the men of Alexandria at Acts 18:24- 19:7. They believed, but were not saved. The men of Samaria at Acts 8:5-15 believed and were baptized in water but were not saved. So it is always a process.
In Acts 8:17 it says they received the Holy Spirit, so how were they not saved??
 
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It is better on a journey to live what we are to be than harbour the knowledge once we've found it.
Perhaps I am the one having a hard time understanding what you mean. I do apologize. Should we continue pursuing Christ without ever attaining him? Is this what you mean?
 
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Was not the HS sent to those already on the path of the Kingdom, sent to help keep them from falling to the wayside?
Yes, indeed. I agree. Just wasn't sure what PP meant.

I see salvation as a process. Baptism is for sure a pivotal point in that process, but baptism doesn't always immediately follow belief (depending which church or denomination you belong to). I have a hard time believing that people who die suddenly while waiting for baptism and believing in Jesus are not saved. Or that people who have been baptized but not confirmed yet are not saved. Etc.
 
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Should we continue pursuing Christ without ever attaining him? Is this what you mean?
The Bible says to continually seek God. This suggests that even though we may find Him, we will never fully understand all that we have found. There is always something new to learn about the ways of His Kingdom as life progresses.. if we allow it.
 
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The Bible says to continually seek God. This suggests that even though we may find Him, we will ever fully understand all that we have found. There is always something new to learn about the ways of His Kingdom as life progresses.
Ah, I see what you mean now. Thank you for explaining it, again.
 
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