Homosexuals: I'm calling you out!!! Prove to me...

[selfinflikted]

The bow of God's wrath is bent, and the arrow made ready on the string, and justice bends the arrow at your heart, and strains the bow, and it is nothing but the mere pleasure of God, and that of an angry God, without any promise or obligation at all, that keeps the arrow one moment from being made drunk with your blood. Thus all you that never passed under a great change of heart,
by the mighty power of the Spirit of God upon your souls; all you that were never born again, and made new creatures, and raised from being dead in sin, to a state of new, and before altogether unexperienced light and life, are in the hands of an angry God. However you may have reformed your life in many things, and may have had religious affections, and may keep up a form of religion in your families and closets, and in the house of God, it is nothing but his mere pleasure that keeps you from being this moment swallowed up in everlasting destruction. However unconvinced you may now be of the truth of what you hear, by and by you will be fully convinced of it. Those that are gone from being in the like circumstances with you, see that it was so with them; for destruction came suddenly upon most of them; when they expected nothing of it, and while they were saying, Peace and safety: now they see, that those things on which they depended for peace and safety, were nothing but thin air and empty shadows.
The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you was suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.
O sinner! Consider the fearful danger you are in: it is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit, full of the fire of wrath, that you are held over in the hand of that God, whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against you, as against many of the damned in hell. You hang by a slender thread, with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it, and ready every moment to singe it, and burn it asunder; and you have no interest in any Mediator, and nothing to lay hold of to save yourself, nothing to keep off the flames of wrath, nothing of your own, nothing that you ever have done, nothing that you can do, to induce God to spare you one moment. And consider here more particularly
1. Whose wrath it is: it is the wrath of the infinite God.
--Jonathan Edwards, Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God.

Just something for you to think about.

TLDR.

 

[TheManeki]

Maybe I don't understand this whole Calvinist predestination thing (possibly because the Calvinists who have tried to explain it to me may not understand it, either), but if everyone's already slated for paradise or perdition, why bother all the ranting and raving? Is this just a way to make yourself feel better about something, Shield?

 

[LittleNipper]

Maybe I don't understand this whole Calvinist predestination thing (possibly because the Calvinists who have tried to explain it to me may not understand it, either), but if everyone's already slated for paradise or perdition, why bother all the ranting and raving? Is this just a way to make yourself feel better about something, Shield?

Because while GOD knows who will do what and when, we do not know who will do what and when. To top it off CHRIST established the GREAT COMMISSION (Go ye unto all the world and spread the Gospel).

I once found myself in a regular fist fight, tackle, wrestling match at college while simply discussing Calvinism. It took 4 RA's and about 8 other guys to pull us off each other. The fellow who grabbed me by the throat later apologized ----- we eventually became good friends. So glad he didn't kill me first.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Somehow, I think he fully realises, but I think he also enjoys a game of "prove it, no you prove it, no you prove it..." to wind up the reader.

Will the forum ever get savvy enough to ignore these obvious attempts? I'm not so sure.

Anyway you're all idiots for responding (including me).

Oh I hope he doesn't stop...it's nice to have threads so inane that they pretty much turn into chillout threads.

And somehow it brings out the best in people and we all finally manage to agree on something. With the obvious exception of SoF.

So....anyone been watching Big Brother?

 

[ReverendDG]

1. Either JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD, or HE did not.

2. If HE did you now are 100% accountable for your vile sins. I am forcing the homosexuals and all their defenders to 'Man UP, or Shut up'!

please explain in normal text, what whether or not jesus rising from the dead has to do with anything in the thread?

if he did, it has nothing to do with homosexuality being a sin or not, so this is a pure red herring

even so, you can only post translations that support your view point, the original languages do not support your beliefs

i'd go with the text in the original languages over a bias translation, such as the KJV. which is known to be bias against homosexuality

 

[ReverendDG]

Because while GOD knows who will do what and when, we do not know who will do what and when. To top it off CHRIST established the GREAT COMMISSION (Go ye unto all the world and spread the Gospel).

theres no point to telling anyone if calvinism is right you know?

I once found myself in a regular fist fight, tackle, wrestling match at college while simply discussing Calvinism. It took 4 RA's and about 8 other guys to pull us off each other. The fellow who grabbed me by the throat later apologized ----- we eventually became good friends. So glad he didn't kill me first.

wow thats sad LN, this is what happens when you let each person decide whats "truth", violence.

but yes calvinism is 100% nonsense.

 

[Anglian]

Dear SoF,
Yes, Holy Scripture does indeed include homosexuality amongst the sins of the flesh; these include fornication and adultery; I do wish you'd occasionally mention them, they are rather more widespread I suspect.

Holy Scripture does not, however, tell us to hate the sinner or to use language that will wound and hurt. Can you not find it in you to imitate God as St. Paul describes him here?

(Romans 5:8) But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

or here?

(Ephesians 5:2) And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

As St. John exhorts us:

(1 John 4:7) Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
(1 John 4:8) He who does not love does not know God, for God is love

.
So remember what he says here, too:

(1 John 4:11) Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
(1 John 4:12) No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
(1 John 4:16) And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
(1 John 4:20) If someone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
(1 John 4:21) And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.

Holy Scripture mentions love and forgiveness an exponential number of times more than it mentions homosexuality. Have you considered giving these more frequent themes as much attention as you do the one sin of homosexuality?

Peace,

Anglian

 

[Deadbolt]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Homosexuals: I'm calling you out!!![/FONT]

No thanks, I'm not that desperate, Even if I was, you couldn't pay enough to out with you.

 

[Beanieboy]

There are people that are born hermaphradites - having both sexes. Regardless of whether they are attracted to men or women, they are technically heterosexual and homosexual. Seeing that there is a belief that God creates people, one must argue that seeing that there are people that are born with both sexes, that God does not exclusively make the male and female, nor exclusively heterosexual.

 

[stan1980]

Oh I hope he doesn't stop...it's nice to have threads so inane that they pretty much turn into chillout threads.

And somehow it brings out the best in people and we all finally manage to agree on something. With the obvious exception of SoF.

So....anyone been watching Big Brother?

Fair point, I like "inane"

Big Brother? Watched bits and bobs. Don't know their names yet, Mario seems like a decent guy though. Who got evicted?

 

[Paconious]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1. Above are some of the passages that declare that GOD is perfect; that HE made man and woman heterosexual and designed marriage as a man and woman; and that homosexuality is an abomination which should result in being put to death! God is showing us here that HE hates homosexuality. The New Testament condemns homosexuality as well:[/FONT]

Allright, this should be easy for you. God is perfect and homosexuality is an abomination and they should be put to death. right? Ok, well, then explain how come there are a myriad of animals displaying homosexual behaivor? Through the transitive property of gods hate, do they get the axe too? Is satan recruting animals to do his bidding? Will christianity face an army of flamboyant homosexual elephants come judgement day? Or, and i know this is farfetched. Could it be that homosexuality is a perfectly natural ocurrence in the natural world which was seen as an abomination by a bunch of ignorant savages in ancient mesopotamia?

 

[InigoMontoja]

Allright, this should be easy for you. God is perfect and homosexuality is an abomination and they should be put to death. right? Ok, well, then explain how come there are a myriad of animals displaying homosexual behaivor?

Whoa, call the science police, because you just broke the law. Since there is no such thing as biological homosexuality (a sperm fertilizing a sperm, or an egg fertilizing an egg), homosexuality is a matter of the mind. This however a lot of times doesn't keep the pervs and apologists from conflating the two. Anyway, apart from the obvious unreliability of resting your case on the Encyclopedia Editable by Infants, Activists, and Idiots , it's just plain silly to be comparing penguin mating behavior to human relationships because they're so dramatically different, and there is so much we don't know yet. For example two male penguins raising a child together is possibly more a matter of survival and a paternal instinct than anything else, and is far different from the amorous complexities of human emotions. Sheep mounting males could just as easily be caused by devious brain growth due to livestock feeding practices. Or for example if the shepherd was feeding them a food that for some reason caused some males to emit pheromones that are reproductive stimulants. Anyway, there's just little to no comparison because the human mind is just so incredibly different and there's also so many black boxes that we just can't make that judgment.

Through the transitive property of gods hate, do they get the axe too? Is satan recruting animals to do his bidding? Will christianity face an army of flamboyant homosexual elephants come judgement day?

OK now you're just being condescending. It's really hard to take people seriously when they talk about "tolerating differences" and "respecting beliefs" and then turn around and condescend upon anyone that they strongly disagree with. Oh well I guess "being open minded" means just about the stuff you agree with.

Or, and i know this is farfetched.

No, you're just venomous.

Could it be that homosexuality is a perfectly natural ocurrence in the natural world which was seen as an abomination by a bunch of ignorant savages in ancient mesopotamia?

Ignoring the obvious Equivocation Fallacy you employ by selectively switching the meaning of the word "natural", you go at it here again. "I disagree with you, therefore you're a savage". Did you ever stop to think that maybe to other people you're a savage for being so bigoted (in the original sense of the word)? Not everyone thinks like you and with all due respect it's pretty darn stupid to act like this on a Christian board because you know that most people here are going to disagree with you. You're not going to win anyone of us over by coming to our "home territory" and insulting us. Oh btw nice racist plug there about calling Jews savages. I think you need to put down Mein Kampf there buddy.

 

[cantata]

Oh btw nice racist plug there about calling Jews savages. I think you need to put down Mein Kampf there buddy.

Well that's an example of the straw golliwog fallacy, if ever I saw one.

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Fair point, I like "inane"

Yeah, I must admit I had to dictionary.com it to make sure it meant what I thought it did.

Big Brother? Watched bits and bobs. Don't know their names yet, Mario seems like a decent guy though. Who got evicted?

Not sure actually, I watch all my TV online so I'm about a day behind the rest of the country...on the plus side no licence fee!

 

[AnonymousAdvocate]

Well, Mr. Shieldofwhatever... I'm sorry to see that you are so sickened by homosexuality; however, what is wrong with their sexual preference? Is it the difference between you and others that makes it so "heinous"? This raises some other interesting questions: What are your personal feelings about handicapped peoples? What about people with speech impediments? What of those who are born with no hearing, no sight?
Not only does your accusation show your blatant fear of people different than yourself, but it also brings out the various hypocrisies in your backwards thought process. If we are "God's children," why would he make people who are--according to you--"abominations?" Now suppose we ignore the little voice in our head (called deductive reasoning) and take the bible literally! This should be fun, right?

Proverbs 22:15 tells us that [f]oolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.
We should beat children for their mistakes? I guess so, right? The bible says so.
Next, let us go to Exodus 35:2:
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. Ahh yes... rest on the Sabbath or die on the Sabbath. It's up to you, truly.
Maybe we can take a look at Deuteronomy 20:10-17!
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. See? What a wonderful being this Lord god is! If people allow you to invade their land, then lay waste to them! If not, lay waste to them! Perfect sense.
I would progress further, but I fear that the sheer greatness of your absurdity that I am alighting upon would ruin my rebuttal. Now please, allow me to bring my argument to a close by discussing your "calling out" of homosexuals.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2. Homosexuals: I'm calling you out!!! Prove to me that HE did not raise up from the dead! Prove to me that HE did not die on the cross and did not rise from the dead. The ball is in your court now. No one has ever been able to prove that HE did not rise from the dead. So you must prove that JESUS CHRIST did not rise from the dead. If you do this, no Christian will ever bother you again. No Christian will be able to rebuke you for your vile sin of homosexuality; because you have destroyed Christianity.[/FONT]

I apologize if I am being ignorant, but I see no correlation between Jesus' rising from the dead, and being homosexual. in addition to the lack of sense you make, please take your own advice in the opposite direction. Please prove to the world that Jesus did in fact come back to life. When you do this, I will completely believe you, and I will accept that those who blaspheme shall go to hell; however, until that moment, you are full of it. Until next time.
Love,
aa

 

[Sitswithamouse]

Fair point, I like "inane"

Big Brother? Watched bits and bobs. Don't know their names yet, Mario seems like a decent guy though. Who got evicted?

Stephanie was evicted.
Not that I watch it, I just looked it up.

 

[Paconious]

Since there is no such thing as biological homosexuality

Yes there is. There is documented evidence of different physiological traits between heterosexuals and homosexuals. This poins out a biological difference between the two. Whether they be lesbian or gays. These range from different shape and size of the hypothalamos. As well as different suprachiasmatic nucleus size in gays and heteros. And many many other characteristics. Homosexuality is a natural as the chromosome that gave you the traits you posses.

homosexuality is a matter of the mind.

This may very well also be. I'm not arguing against this. What i'm arguing against is the use of the magic book as grounds for homophobia. However, the traits that i pointed out before are shared between many homosexuals. This fact places people with those traits more likely to engage in homosexual behaivor.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe to other people you're a savage for being so bigoted (in the original sense of the word)? Not everyone thinks like you and with all due respect it's pretty darn stupid to act like this on a Christian board because you know that most people here are going to disagree with you.

Oh yes, i know and expect this. I am however, very confident about my argumentation and points since i come armed with facts and many, like you, come armed with myths. Reason will always prevail over predjudice and ignorance.

You're not going to win anyone of us over by coming to our "home territory" and insulting us. Oh btw nice racist plug there about calling Jews savages. I think you need to put down Mein Kampf there buddy.

The ancient jews, like many ancient civilizations were very ignorant about the natural world. Very, very ignorant. Through no fault of their own of course. They did not have the tools to observe the natural world and make logical inquiries about it. They settle with myth which is in parity with all ancient tribes. My point was not racist at all, but i'll make my point of their ignorance. Do you eat scallops? You know the ancient jews have it written down in Leviticus that no man shall eat a creature from the ocean with no scales. They also called them an abomination. Do you believe this ancient jewel of wisdom came from a rational group of men? Or do you share their views on this subject too? I believe destroying all the Red Lobster restaurants is in order if you agree with the myth and the OP.

 

[Ramona]

Oh god, I have to do this AGAIN, don't I?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]ThrowerOTempertantrums: I'm calling you out!!! Prove to me that you can address other human beings - who are created in God's image just as you are - without making a total jackalope of yourself! Prove to me that you aren't a social, emotional, and spiritual invalid. The ball is in your court now. No one has ever been able to prove that homosexuality is mutable, unnatural, or evil. So you must prove that you can debate intelligently and respectfully. If you do this, no Employee of Satan will ever bother you again. No Employee of Satan will be able to rebuke you for your vile sin of being a crude, rude, and wilfully dense malcontent; because you have behaved like an adult.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Until then; you will get makeovers of your crazy rants for your vile sin. You will be corrected and commanded (because asking nicely just doesn't seem to have any effect on you) to repent and turn your life to Christ. He's a pretty cool guy. Ever read the Gospels?[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]If you don't want to live with the shame and guilt of this wicked sin, then either apologize for being so abusive to your fellow men; or realize that you have to learn how to debate rather than scream at people!!!!!!![/FONT]




[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA FABULOUS.[/FONT]

 

[Ramona]

Oh I hope he doesn't stop...it's nice to have threads so inane that they pretty much turn into chillout threads.

And somehow it brings out the best in people and we all finally manage to agree on something. With the obvious exception of SoF.

So....anyone been watching Big Brother?

Big Brother not so much...I really enjoyed Miss Rap Supreme, though. I thought Bree was fantastic, and in spite of myself I've developed a big ol' crush on her. I really hope we haven't seen the end of her.

 

[nomoreillusions]

Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.