Homosexuality

[Bro.T]

First of all let me say this, I will not pass judgment on anyone no matter who, or what you're...Before I answer any questions on C/F I always pray about it and let the Lord tell me what to say, and this is what He told me to say to you. Did I not tell Mary go and sin no more, The Lord is tell anyone that sin the same thing go and sin no more...Homosexuality will not make it into Heaven and that is a fact because it is a sin, and no sin will go to heaven...I am not saying the person, I am saying the sin will not go to heaven...Read this you should get what the Lord is telling you right off; 1ST Corinthians 6:9,10/6:11>>>Leviticus 18:22/20:13>>>Romans 1:24-27,32

If you're not in the good side of Kingdom, then you're in the lake of fire,
sin and all. ( Its good to always post the verses you want people to read)

Lets go to ...Matthew 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.

This is after the second resurrection.

 

[Bro.T]

I put this Homosexuaity thread out, just as I put the Sabbath Day, or The Pauline
Doctrine thread, etc. Hopefully people repent, and try to gets some understanding.
But it always some big mouths; good thing the Lord coming to shut all this foolishness
down; and I understand and love to help me people get salvation. But I read the mind
of some people, and its sad, the way people think. The world is spiritually gone.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Lets go to Proverbs 17: 27 He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.
17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

18:6 A fool’s lips enter into contention, and his mouth calleth for strokes.
18:7 A fool’s mouth is his destruction, and his lips are the snare of his soul.(Proverbs
18: 6,7)

People, I speak the word of God, if you can't take this thread, it obviously, you have a problem.

Peace in Jesus name

 

[JasonX43]

Why is it people get touchy about the subject of homosexuality? The bottom line is that it's a sin against God's design for us, as well as all the other sins. Consider this: Which is the bigger sin? A person giving themselves over to homosexuality or a Christian knowing the truth and remain silent in the face of blatant sin? Also remember that after coming to Christ we are to repent and sin no more. Is it hard? Yes! But Jesus is our example that it can be done!

 

[WuAgent]

the bible says point blank that homosexuality is sin

Leviticus 18:22 NIV

"do not lie with a man as one lies with a women, that is detestable"

roman 1:24-27

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.


so i dont see the confusion of whether God approves of such a practice or not.

the church unfortunately has done a horrible job with this issue. you either have those who will condemn these people to hell or you'll have those who will say that God has no problem with it. both are DEAD wrong.


homosexuality is just as forgivable and isnt any more worthy of hellfire in the lords eyes as those who are sleeping with women they're not married too, porn addicts, drug addicts, and liers.


we can get into a debate about which sins have the most impact but thats would be a worthless debate and the bottom line is that there is love and forgiveness for homosexuality too.

 

[jbm611973]

The Bible is very clear on sexual immorality. Persons who engage in such perversion will not inhereit the Kingdom of God.

 

[Bro.T]

Brothers and Sisters I find is amazing that, so many people, agree that Homosexuality
is a sin, but when I bring up the Law (ten commandments) its a problem.

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4)

Then you ask a person, what the different between a saint and a sinner?

the answer is the Law.

 

[JasonX43]

Just the other day this woman at work tried to convince me that it was something wrong with me because I REFUSED to have a gay roommate! Doesn't it say in the Bible that we should give sin no place to live in our homes? I also shared with her the wisdom of how sin makes us like Lucifer.

 

[Floatingaxe]

homosexuality is just as forgivable and isnt any more worthy of hellfire in the lords eyes as those who are sleeping with women they're not married too, porn addicts, drug addicts, and liers.

While the redeemability of homosexuality is equal to that of all other sins, we don't have people forming church groups around the glories of adultery, pornography, drug abuse and lying. You do, however, see congregations forming around unrepentant homosexuals based on their common vice.

As we are the Church of Jesus Christ, we must make a firm stand against such apostasy.

 

[Bro.T]

You guys made, some very good points and facts, according to the Bible.

peace in Jesus name

 

[Rajni]

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

One thing to bear in mind is that we are now living in an age where the old Levitical law no longer applies. Also, God in Christ no longer seems to make a distinction between male and female (Galatians 3:28). So He's probably far far less hung up on homosexual issues than we humans can be!


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[Bro.T]

One thing to bear in mind is that we are now living in an age where the old Levitical law no longer applies. Also, God in Christ no longer seems to make a distinction between male and female (Galatians 3:28). So He's probably far far less hung up on homosexual issues than we humans can be!


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Don't believe that, the earth is the Lord business, and everything in it, and the Lord don't like sinners, take a trip to Exodus 20, and read it.
The Lord already gave example of this act, now in the future, the Lord is going to come with great wrath and the Lord is displease with the world.

Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. (Isaiah 34:1-3)

It going to be big time pay back, sisters and brothers.

p.s. them Laws in leviticus, are still good.

 

[Cris413]

Don't believe that, the earth is the Lord business, and everything in it, and the Lord don't like sinners, take a trip to Exodus 20, and read it.
The Lord already gave example of this act, now in the future, the Lord is going to come with great wrath and the Lord is displease with the world.

Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. (Isaiah 34:1-3)

It going to be big time pay back, sisters and brothers.

p.s. them Laws in leviticus, are still good.

This is all quite interesting…especially from anyone with a liberal political affiliation.

What I would like to submit for consideration regarding your post is:

Mat 22:34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together.
Mat 22:35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, ""You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."


My concern here is that the love of Christ is sometimes lost in knowledge of the Law…

Scripture also teaches us:

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
1Co 13:5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
1Co 13:6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
1Co 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

(I encourage any reader to research any Scripture provided, spend time with the Lord in prayer and see what He has to say about these things)

While we, as believers, should never water down, ignore, diminish or become accepting of sin…we should also never be more concerned about serving the Law than we are concerned about serving Christ Jesus.

Not according to our judgment but according to the love of Christ because we can all get pretty wrapped up in our own sense of self-righteousness…now can’t we?

However…

2Co 3:4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God.
2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

I do consider that perhaps some of us could be a little more focused on serving God in the great commission and little less focused on our persecution of sinners….

…just a thought.


Ps…

There is a HUGE difference in "payback" and the righteous judgment of God.

And them laws in Leviticus….covered by the blood of the Lamb for those who accept Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior…sincerely with a right heart.

 

[Floatingaxe]

One thing to bear in mind is that we are now living in an age where the old Levitical law no longer applies. Also, God in Christ no longer seems to make a distinction between male and female (Galatians 3:28). So He's probably far far less hung up on homosexual issues than we humans can be!


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[Rajni]

Don't believe that, the earth is the Lord business, and everything in it, and the Lord don't like sinners, take a trip to Exodus 20, and read it.
The Lord already gave example of this act, now in the future, the Lord is going to come with great wrath and the Lord is displease with the world.

Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. (Isaiah 34:1-3)

It going to be big time pay back, sisters and brothers.

p.s. them Laws in leviticus, are still good.

The Laws were good and have served their purpose. We're now living in the era of the New Covenant. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law. Why speak as though the power of the cross is of no effect?

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[SoundCard]

The Laws were good and have served their purpose. We're now living in the era of the New Covenant. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law. Why speak as though the power of the cross is of no effect?

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Believe me, I've had that discussion with tanzel, and it's an entirely new thread in of itself, and went on for pages.

 

[Floatingaxe]

The Laws were good and have served their purpose. We're now living in the era of the New Covenant. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law. Why speak as though the power of the cross is of no effect?

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So, now God has changed His tune about what sin is? He has changed? He's gone soft?

JESUS IS GOD. What God the Father thought in the OT, Jesus reiterates. Nothing has changed.

 

[Rajni]

So, now God has changed His tune about what sin is? He has changed? He's gone soft?

JESUS IS GOD. What God the Father thought in the OT, Jesus reiterates. Nothing has changed.

Your belief that nothing has changed in spite of Christ's sacrifice explains alot.

Thanks for your input, FA!


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[Floatingaxe]

Don't get me riled by putting false notions to my words. It is wrong to extrapolate a simple statement into something that is inflammatory, whatever you have in mind (?)!

God hates the sin of homosexuality. There is no downplaying it. Jesus' sacrifice changes nothing as far as the deadliness of sin, and especially UNREPENTED OF sin, sin that is GLORIFIED.

 

[SoundCard]

God also hates it when we lust after someone, we commit adultery, He hates anger, since that's like murdering someone in your heart, God hates ALL sin. All sins are abominations before the Lord, which is why we must repent of ALL our sins. If a practicing homosexual comes before Christ and doesn't repent of that, then it calls into question if they've repented at all, simple as that. If they repent, backslide into practicing again, they need to lay it before God and pray for His guidance, but in those situations they're still Christians, God still loves them, He won't condemn someone already in Christ no matter what they do. But it does Him no service if they continue to live in a sinful lifestyle, especially if they go around saying He's ok with it. Which He isn't. So the practicing unrepentant have a lake of fire to fear, and the practicing repentant have some explaining to do.

 

[Rajni]

Don't get me riled by putting false notions to my words. It is wrong to extrapolate a simple statement into something that is inflammatory, whatever you have in mind (?)!

God hates the sin of homosexuality. There is no downplaying it. Jesus' sacrifice changes nothing as far as the deadliness of sin, and especially UNREPENTED OF sin, sin that is GLORIFIED.

No one gets you riled but you. We are responsible for our own emotions, no one else is.

Again, thank you for your contribution to the discussion!



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