Homosexuality

[Bro.T]

What does the God of the creation think about homosexuality? He is very clear on identifying the act of homosexuality as a sin. If an individual sows iniquity, they will reap corruption. Those of us that believe and know the Truth are not careful to say…"There is a pestilence in the land because of ‘homosexual’ activity." There has been an increase in the acceptance of homosexuality in our country as indicated by the figures collected by the U.S. Census. The U.S. Census Bureau reported that, "The number of American households reporting same-sex partners skyrocketed over the past decade." The Census counted 1,933 same-sex couple households last year in Vermont, up from an estimated 370 in 1990, a fivefold jump.

Delaware had an even greater increase from an estimated 212 to 1,868 households, a nearly nine fold increase. Vermont and Delaware were the first states to receive the latest wave of data, with all 50 to get the material by late August. Four months before Vermont's civil union’s law took effect, the Census Bureau asked Americans questions designed to get the best picture yet of how many live with a partner of the same sex. Unmarried partner statistics in 1990 were based on a sample of responses; 2000 figures were based on a count of all households. Fewer than 5 percent of the country's unmarried partner households in 1990 were made up of same-sex couples. Comparable numbers for 2000 will not be known until all state figures are released.

As the statistics indicate there is a wave of acceptance of homosexuality in our country. Even though the masses may accept this let’s see what the Most High God thinks about this subject. We will take a look at the Law first. Once we have established homosexuality as being a sin, then we will look at the Lord’s wrath being poured out because of this abomination. Let’s go into Leviticus the 20th chapter and read the 13th verse.

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
"….they shall surely be put to death..." Being that we are under the new covenant, which are the same laws that were given to Moses, no man is clean enough to put anyone to death, the Lord will take care of that Judgment.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses (Hebrews 10:28.)
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrews 10:31).​

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27) 1

 

[Bro.T]

Check out this artical that was sent to me, by my brother.

Now on the Hallmark aisle: Gay marriage cards
Thursday August 21, 5:10 pm ET
By Sarah Skidmore, AP Business Writer

Hallmark, seeing a new market after California ruling, rolls out gay marriage greeting cards
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- Most states don't recognize gay marriage -- but now Hallmark does.
The nation's largest greeting card company is rolling out same-sex wedding cards -- featuring two tuxedos, overlapping hearts or intertwined flowers, with best wishes inside.

"Two hearts. One promise," one says.

Hallmark added the cards after California joined Massachusetts as the only U.S. states with legal gay marriage. A handful of other states have recognized same-sex civil unions.

The language inside the cards is neutral, with no mention of wedding or marriage, making them also suitable for a commitment ceremony. Hallmark says the move is a response to consumer demand, not any political pressure

Now money is being made over this act, I shorten the artical up a bit, but this is the world we live in.

 

[Pastor LDM]

I can only answer you by the word of God, First of all let me make this clear to everyone that reads my comment. I'LL not pass judgement on anyone that Job belongs to the Lord not me or anyone else!!

Homosexuality is a sin that is a fact, the word of GOD say so and that is a fact to, please read what is below...Then go from their......

1st. Corinthians 6:9,10 and 6:11>>>Romans 1:24-27,32>>>Lev. 18:22 and 20:13...
I would ask you to read it from the NIV. Study Bible.

 

[Forealzchola]

Stop targeting homosexuals...I wonder if the OP feels so strongly about heterosexual people that have sex outside of marriage!!

 

[SoundCard]

Stop targeting homosexuals...I wonder if the OP feels so strongly about heterosexual people that have sex outside of marriage!!

You are right in this regard. What good does it do anyone if we tell them to repent only of their homosexuality? What other sins have they committed? What sins have we committed? Lord have mercy on us for we all have fallen short of the glory! ALL people must repent, the adulterers, the liars, the homosexuals, the sorcerers, all people must repent, all people must accept Christ to be saved, for all people have sinned!

 

[Bro.T]

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (James 1:14-15)
Homosexuality is not an abnormality; it is a result of an individual’s own sexual desires. Once this takes place, what happens? Note what the verse says, "Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." This death is the second death, which is the Lake of Fire. Let’s take a look at some of Paul’s writings.

Most people read a lot of the Paul writing, but Paul talks about the Lords commandments. Paul mentions men of God that knew the scriptures, but failed to revere the ONLY REVEREND meaning REV. JESUS, the Lord gave them up because of unbelief and allowed them to commit vile acts such as lying with the same sex. Let’s take a look:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Romans 1:18-21)

Note what the verse says, "Who hold the truth in unrighteousness." Here we see these men knew the truth but "they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart were darkened." They professed themselves to be wise but became fools. Let’s skip down to the 24th verse.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; (Romans 1:24-28)
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Note what’s being said, "God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts to dishonor their own bodies between themselves. Even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature, men with men working that which is unseemly…" God placed men and women on this earth to be fruitful and to multiply.

This isn’t a genetic thing, which suits the taste of the general public. These individuals that call themselves homosexuals simply have unbridled sexual desire that came out of their own imaginations, they were not born that way. Therefore, we have a dreaded plague among us that’s not only devastating the gay community; it’s also spilling over into heterosexual assemblage as indicated by the AIDS crisis that has been mounting in the world.

 

[Forealzchola]

I have found the ones that preach so hard aganist homosexuals in a homophobic nature..often are struggling with homosexuality themselves...a thought to think about Tanzel.

 

[MaidforHim]

I've participated in so many of these threads here at CF I hesitate to participate in this one. For one it seems that very few people will base their responses on scripture, but rather on their feelings, on what man feels rather than what God's teaches - There have been times in my life where I did the same. I believe God's shown me the truth and I trust His word over mans emotions.

All I'd like to share at this time is a teaching that sheds God's light on the situation in a way that is honest, humorous and yet respectful to all. I would invite you all to watch it, it's very enjoyable teaching, based on scripture and Christ's loving plan for us. It discusses homosexuality, gay marriage and heterosexual marriage and what God's plan really is.

Is it Really a Gay Issue?
http://www.calvaryftl.org/AWMedia/MediaDesk.cfm?fn=T1329

 

[Bro.T]

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (I Timothy 1:9-10)

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[IfollowJesus]

I have found the ones that preach so hard aganist homosexuals in a homophobic nature..often are struggling with homosexuality themselves...a thought to think about Tanzel.

What are you saying? Homosexual behaviour is not a sin? in the eyes of God all sins are the same so he isn't going to change his mind, God made adam and eve, he didn't make adam and steve.

This thread is about homosexuals and we are talking about it we arn't "targetting" them at all.

 

[Forealzchola]

What are you saying? Homosexual behaviour is not a sin? in the eyes of God all sins are the same so he isn't going to change his mind, God made adam and eve, he didn't make adam and steve.

This thread is about homosexuals and we are talking about it we arn't "targetting" them at all.

Yes homosexuality is a sin..but it makes me very angry when christians will treat and act like they are dogs just because they are gay...but would never ever preach to their heterosexual neighbor that is shacking it up with their gf/bf or having sex before marriage is all im getting at...where the thread about heterosexual premarital sex huh? You dont see that..many christians are double standard!! They wont talk to the man that has multpile female sexual partners but they will jump with a powerful "CONVICTION" when they see a man walking down the street holding another man's hand..what i am saying is if you gona preach about sexual immortality..then preach all grounds...child molestation, adultery, premarital sex ( whoever it may be gay or straight) and stop soley singling out homosexuals to "preach" to!

 

[Bro.T]

I have found the ones that preach so hard aganist homosexuals in a homophobic nature..often are struggling with homosexuality themselves...a thought to think about Tanzel.

I can turn what you say to me, around to you, because it sound like you
protect them. I know if you were wise, you would of done your homework
and read some of my other threads, and you would of known, I bring forth
the uncut word of God. Hears a scripture that comes to mind, now that
you said that, lets go to...Isaiah 30:9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

30:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: 30:11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us

You don't want hear no truth.

30:12 Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: 30:13 Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

 

[Forealzchola]

The scriptures that you are referring to are irrlevant to what I am saying..I said homosexuality is a sin yes!! I am not denying that or what God words says about it and its damnable but so is a whole lot of other stuff...but why do you have to keep going on and on and on...? This isnt edifying...

No I dont protect homosexuals ...but i also dont believe in harassing people over their God given right of free will...even if it is to do wrong...yes its a sin...but so is watching porn, stealing lying, etc..and we can not judge(i.e telling someone they are going to hell)..and if it judgment was now..which it isnt then...God would be taking people off the planet right now...but guess what hes not...no one is perfect! dont single out a whole group of people..everyone does not want to live for God....everyone does not want to serve God...plant a seed and then move on...

No I dont protect homosexuals...but i am not homophobic like many christians are...i will not degrade, harass, discriminate someone because of what they choose to do in their own house..behind closed doors! Preach your message then move on...we already got the idea. Thats what I am trying to say...because you arent preaching the saving gospel of Jesus Christ..you are talking about how someone is wrong and going to hell...God is not getting any glory in that.

If you want to be active about helping those in the homosexual community...try talking/counseling to molested and abused children first because many times homosexuality is the product of child molestation and broken homes. God bless

But again I say where is the HETEROSEXUAL PROMISCULITY AND PREMARITAL SEX THREAD...? Havent did one of those huh? thought not. *rolls eyes*

 

[Bro.T]

I'm not really sure of what your concern is, but you seem to be a little light minded.
What I put forth is just Bibical facts. People has view and made respones. This is
the word of God. I think it is very possible that threw the scripture, that I put forth
I could of really help someone. This thread has been out for a while, it just that you finally came across it, just like someone else made come across it later. Theres
a lot of scriptures that touches on this subject. When people respone I respone
back. I'm pretty sure somebody has been enlighting or have learn something, so don't be so quick to make statements about me or what I bring forth in the name of Jesus, because I truly come in the name of Jesus. This is the time in life were everybody needs, to get themselves together in christ, cause there some big time prophesy coming up, in our generation. But that another topic.

Threads like these, is what it takes for people to see themselves, nevertheless somebody might use these scripture on this thread to help somebody else. Let me give you a an example. People that love you will across you, but people that fear you, will not across you. Lets go to Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do
12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him

What I put forth is the true, and I encourage people to read the word God and take it for what it says, and this goes for all my threads. Some people agree with me and
some don't. Proverb 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Lets go to Proverbs ch15:31 The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.
15:32 He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.
15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Lets go to the last place....Eccesiates 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Peace in Jesus name

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yes homosexuality is a sin..but it makes me very angry when christians will treat and act like they are dogs just because they are gay...but would never ever preach to their heterosexual neighbor that is shacking it up with their gf/bf or having sex before marriage is all im getting at...where the thread about heterosexual premarital sex huh? You dont see that..many christians are double standard!! They wont talk to the man that has multpile female sexual partners but they will jump with a powerful "CONVICTION" when they see a man walking down the street holding another man's hand..what i am saying is if you gona preach about sexual immortality..then preach all grounds...child molestation, adultery, premarital sex ( whoever it may be gay or straight) and stop soley singling out homosexuals to "preach" to!

Ummm...this thread is about homosexuality.

 

[Bro.T]

I understand were you are coming from, ok, but this is not my only thread.
This is just one of my threads, I put out. Take the time, and read my other
threads, and you will see other topic, I bring forth, concerning the Lord's
law or commandments.

I understand what your saying, sin is sin. One thing I notice that makes a differents, when, man lie with mankind or woman lie with woman kind, its a abomination to the Lord. Even though, both could get you in the lake of fire, but for some reason the Lord divide the commandments from the things that are an abomination.

To mind understanding, when you keep the commandments, you
walking on a narrow path, so the chances on dealing with these abomination are a little slim to none. I didn't say none, because I know theirs people that will make it seems like they keep the law and they really don't.

Theirs also situations were the Lord stop dealing people...Lets go to Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

See the thing is, a lot of people don't keep the Lord's commandment, but they so
quick to tell you what sin is. I put that Romans ch 1....cause I want you to understand how the Lord also got his hand in it. This act is not just mans
choice, depending on the situation.

Lets read the Biblical difinition of sin...1John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Peace in Jesus name.

 

[Bro.T]

We must remember brothers and sisters, Moses was on mount Horeb for forty days and forty nights. He received many more laws than the Ten Commandments. For example, there were more laws made between Moses and the Lord that were not classified as one of the ten. Take a look at Deuteronomy 29:1:

These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb. (Deuteronomy 29:1)

Notice what the scripture says, "beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb." We see that other Laws were given to Moses alongside the covenant (Ten Commandments). An individual might say, "Those laws were for the tribes of Israel." Well, let’s see if the Lords laws only apply to the sons and daughters of Jacob.

Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 24:22)​

One manner of law for Israel, as well as for the rest of the sons of Adam.

Leviticus the 18th chapter and start at the 22nd verse.​

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

(Leviticus 18:22-24) Note what the scripture says, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." Note something else in this set of scriptures. "Defile not yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you." This statement should have a person shaking in their boots. When the Lord cast out the Canaanites, He sent the children of Israel into these countries to cast these nations out because of sin. The sons of Jacob did not go alone to do battle. His mighty angels went with them as long as they kept themselves from sin.

This is not a game sisters and brothers; the God of the creation is serious. When He returns at His second coming He will deal with man face to face. We must keep ourselves from willful sin. But, people try to make excuses for everything that is contrary to the word of God.

As seen by modern medicine’s explanation of homosexuality: "With the birth of modern psychiatry, homosexuality came to be viewed widely as less a sin than a sickness. This attitude derived from unscientific research into the origin and nature of homosexuality, unscientific because based solely on studies of maladjusted psychiatric patients. Theories arising from such research suggested that disorders in family relationships, particularly mother-son relationships, give rise to homosexual behavior. Such theories, based on the assumption that homosexuals are necessarily psychologically abnormal, are not convincing. Quote from Grolier multimedia encyclopedia).

 

[Pastor LDM]

First of all let me say this, I will not pass judgment on anyone no matter who, or what you're...Before I answer any questions on C/F I always pray about it and let the Lord tell me what to say, and this is what He told me to say to you. Did I not tell Mary go and sin no more, The Lord is tell anyone that sin the same thing go and sin no more...Homosexuality will not make it into Heaven and that is a fact because it is a sin, and no sin will go to heaven...I am not saying the person, I am saying the sin will not go to heaven...Read this you should get what the Lord is telling you right off; 1ST Corinthians 6:9,10/6:11>>>Leviticus 18:22/20:13>>>Romans 1:24-27,32

 

[Bro.T]

What are you saying? Homosexual behaviour is not a sin? in the eyes of God all sins are the same so he isn't going to change his mind, God made adam and eve, he didn't make adam and steve.

This thread is about homosexuals and we are talking about it we arn't "targetting" them at all.

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (Timothy 1:9)

Let me give you an example of what Paul is saying. Lets say you have
two children a boy and a girl, and the boy is always getting in trouble, or
disobedient, etc, so it come to a point where you have to enforce
laws and rules to get the boy to act right, where as the girl, is never dis
obedient or in trouble, so theres no need for laws and rules for her, very simple.

 

[567234ta]

OK...not reading your article...the first couple sentances was all I really needed to get the direction you're headed with this thread...but I skimmed through the rest of it...

Let me just say...who are any of us on this planet to judge who will and who will not come to Christ...regardless of what their "particular" sins are.

I think it's a dangerous path to tread upon when we broad-stroke any group of people with a heart of condemnation.

ANYONE with a repentant and sincere heart who accepts Christ Jesus as their Lord and Savior into their hearts will be saved...let the Lord be concerned with transforming their lives and circumcising their hearts...

Perhaps...a little less condemnation...and a bit more love and prayer for those in bondage to homosexuality would be more beneficial than yet another thread like this....

cant help but agree with you.