Homosexuality

[jlujan69]

Ok, I accept that homosexuality is a sin, now what?

 

[Benoni]

Heavenly Father, forgive me my sins, for I make myself a hypocrite in this matter, but I cannot stay silent so long as this lie is perpetrated.



You speak of the most mysterious book in the entire Bible, when you yourself lack the knowledge and spirit to discern the simplest of truths. You try and feed on meat yet you yourself cannot even digest milk. How low you make yourself in the eyes of the Father with what you preach. You stomp all over the work of the Cross. You deny Christ's works at Golgotha. You have made yourself an idolterer of God's Law, and your trespass shall increase for it. Pray for mercy tanzel, for a guillotine hangs over your head! The increase of your trespass grows with each post you spread on these forums, saying that work of the Cross is not enough.

Stop looking to the specific verses which you wish to spread your dogma of the devil from! You viper! You bring the cross so low in your words, the price of the blood of the lamb has no value in your eyes! Woe unto your soul, you sew a dangerous harvest, the reaping of such will surely be your end! Your spirit is in danger from what you say, you preach a word against that of the word of God! You say that you wish to follow His commandments, yet you reject the GREATEST COMMANDMENT OF THEM ALL WITH YOUR WORDS!

Matthew 22:34-40 NIV

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."


Had you been born in the same time as our Lord, you would've surely have been one of those who crucified Christ! You twist the word of God from a holy thing into a perverse doctrine of your own design. You work with your hands, yet the only thing you construct is a grave! How far down will you be brought for the things you say here? For that which you claim as truth!? It is not about keeping the law, IT IS ABOUT LOVING GOD! Have you never been in someone else's house, have you been subject to rules there that you have not agreed with, yet you obeyed because they were such things? Such is the empty practice of legalism you preach, such is the doctrine of evil you wear about your neck.



You enter into the Master's house and speak well of the regulations He has laid down, yet you have no fear of He who made them. You speak of how well written the code is, yet you have regard for He who sent them! You say how grace or salvation must be maintained by following them, yet Salvation is dependant only upon faith! Grace is only dependent upon faith in God! Yet you trample all over it! Should I follow what you try and teach these people, I would surely find myself locked outside the gates of Heaven and left for a fire well suited and further more DESERVED for what I had done! For what I had turned my back on! You say Christ only fulfilled the sacrificial laws, yet you make Him out to be a liar! He called Himself the fulfillment of the law, you deny this! You deny Christ! You deny God! You deny the works of the Holy Lord, and for that you will not be spared His wrath, less you come to fully understand the doctrine of Grace and forgiveness that came at the cross! YOU ARE IN DANGER! Do not forsake this warning, do not post your arbitrary arguments with me, the Lord has saw it fit to give me truth, where you saw it fit to appease your selfish desires for self-gratification in the Law.


So you as you live by it, so surely you shall die by it! ALL OF ISRAEL stumbled on the Law! Yet you yourself, I doubt you are even Jewish! Even if you were, it doesn't matter! Cling well to the law tanzel, for most likely it is hung over your head for you exist outside of God's grace! Indeed FloatingAxe, the law is full well in effect for those who rejected Christ. And they will be condemned by it, and they will see the lake of fire for it. Stop your trespassing, stop increasing that which you can never remove! STOP READING WHAT YOU ONLY WISH TO SEE AND OPEN YOUR HEART TO THE TRUTH! STOP COVERING YOUR EARS, STOP STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND TANZEL! Look towards the Heavens, not towards yourself for salvation! You shall never find it in your own efforts, for you were never capable of it! God have mercy on your soul!

Amen......

I will also add The Book of Revelation is the most spiritual book in the Bible. It is also totally symbolic, not literal. That is not my opinion that is what God's Word declares.

People in sin were born with no choice, that is how God created them and do not have a freewill to choose salvation, let alone the deep things of God.

When it comes to Homosexuals they are sinners just like the rest of us, I look at the blood of Jesus not their sin. There sin is no different then my sins or your sins.

What is greater the blood of Jesus or the sin of Adam. If you choose the sin of Adam then something is serious wrong with your understanding of who and what Jesus is.

In, with by Christ... George

 

[Bro.T]

Heavenly Father, forgive me my sins, for I make myself a hypocrite in this matter, but I cannot stay silent so long as this lie is perpetrated.



You speak of the most mysterious book in the entire Bible, when you yourself lack the knowledge and spirit to discern the simplest of truths. You try and feed on meat yet you yourself cannot even digest milk. How low you make yourself in the eyes of the Father with what you preach. You stomp all over the work of the Cross. You deny Christ's works at Golgotha. You have made yourself an idolterer of God's Law, and your trespass shall increase for it. Pray for mercy tanzel, for a guillotine hangs over your head! The increase of your trespass grows with each post you spread on these forums, saying that work of the Cross is not enough.

Stop looking to the specific verses which you wish to spread your dogma of the devil from! You viper! You bring the cross so low in your words, the price of the blood of the lamb has no value in your eyes! Woe unto your soul, you sew a dangerous harvest, the reaping of such will surely be your end! Your spirit is in danger from what you say, you preach a word against that of the word of God! You say that you wish to follow His commandments, yet you reject the GREATEST COMMANDMENT OF THEM ALL WITH YOUR WORDS!

Matthew 22:34-40 NIV

34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."


Had you been born in the same time as our Lord, you would've surely have been one of those who crucified Christ! You twist the word of God from a holy thing into a perverse doctrine of your own design. You work with your hands, yet the only thing you construct is a grave! How far down will you be brought for the things you say here? For that which you claim as truth!? It is not about keeping the law, IT IS ABOUT LOVING GOD! Have you never been in someone else's house, have you been subject to rules there that you have not agreed with, yet you obeyed because they were such things? Such is the empty practice of legalism you preach, such is the doctrine of evil you wear about your neck.



You enter into the Master's house and speak well of the regulations He has laid down, yet you have no fear of He who made them. You speak of how well written the code is, yet you have regard for He who sent them! You say how grace or salvation must be maintained by following them, yet Salvation is dependant only upon faith! Grace is only dependent upon faith in God! Yet you trample all over it! Should I follow what you try and teach these people, I would surely find myself locked outside the gates of Heaven and left for a fire well suited and further more DESERVED for what I had done! For what I had turned my back on! You say Christ only fulfilled the sacrificial laws, yet you make Him out to be a liar! He called Himself the fulfillment of the law, you deny this! You deny Christ! You deny God! You deny the works of the Holy Lord, and for that you will not be spared His wrath, less you come to fully understand the doctrine of Grace and forgiveness that came at the cross! YOU ARE IN DANGER! Do not forsake this warning, do not post your arbitrary arguments with me, the Lord has saw it fit to give me truth, where you saw it fit to appease your selfish desires for self-gratification in the Law.


So you as you live by it, so surely you shall die by it! ALL OF ISRAEL stumbled on the Law! Yet you yourself, I doubt you are even Jewish! Even if you were, it doesn't matter! Cling well to the law tanzel, for most likely it is hung over your head for you exist outside of God's grace! Indeed FloatingAxe, the law is full well in effect for those who rejected Christ. And they will be condemned by it, and they will see the lake of fire for it. Stop your trespassing, stop increasing that which you can never remove! STOP READING WHAT YOU ONLY WISH TO SEE AND OPEN YOUR HEART TO THE TRUTH! STOP COVERING YOUR EARS, STOP STICKING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND TANZEL! Look towards the Heavens, not towards yourself for salvation! You shall never find it in your own efforts, for you were never capable of it! God have mercy on your soul!

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.(Matthew 6:5-7)


He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (Proverbs 28:9)

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. (2Peter 2:1-3)


Let read that verse from the top, shall we...Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:36-40)


Jesus said the two great commandments, not the two only commandments, and if you pay attention you will see that
you are still dealing, with the Law and the prophets.
Lets see who Jesus quoted these commandments from, I can see you have know understanding,I mean know understanding, So this is the first one Jesus quoted.


And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good? (Deuteronomy 10:12,13)


Lets look at it again.... And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (Deu. 6:5)


Lets look at the second, in the Law of Moses...Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:18)


All from the Law of Moses, if the commandments are nail to the cross, then all sin, and all commandments are gone, no church, no nothing,
just living free, which makes no sense. People, you can't pick and choose
what is a sin and what is not.....


Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.(1John 3:4)


But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. (Isaiah 28:7,8)


Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? (Isaiah 29:9-16)


Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. (Isaiah 30:8-11)


To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)


I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Luke 5:32)


peace in jesus name

 

[Benoni]

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.(Matthew 6:5-7)


He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (Proverbs 28:9)

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. (2Peter 2:1-3)


Let read that verse from the top, shall we...Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Matthew 22:36-40)


Jesus said the two great commandments, not the two only commandments, and if you pay attention you will see that
you are still dealing, with the Law and the prophets.
Lets see who Jesus quoted these commandments from, I can see you have know understanding,I mean know understanding, So this is the first one Jesus quoted.


And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good? (Deuteronomy 10:12,13)


Lets look at it again.... And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. (Deu. 6:5)


Lets look at the second, in the Law of Moses...Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:18)


All from the Law of Moses, if the commandments are nail to the cross, then all sin, and all commandments are gone, no church, no nothing,
just living free, which makes no sense. People, you can't pick and choose
what is a sin and what is not.....


Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.(1John 3:4)


But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean. (Isaiah 28:7,8)


Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink. For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered. And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid. Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? (Isaiah 29:9-16)


Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever: That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD: Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits: Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us. (Isaiah 30:8-11)


To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. (Isaiah 8:20)


I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Luke 5:32)


peace in jesus name

So what is your point; I mean you quoted all these scriptures from all over the Bible, what are you trying to say?
Jesus fulfilled the law; do know why, because all of these verse you quoted us cannot not be fulfilled by us, that is why his precious blood was shed.

 

[Bro.T]

So what is your point; I mean you quoted all these scriptures from all over the Bible what are you trying to say?
Jesus fulfilled the law; do know why because all of these verse you quoted us cannot not be fulfilled by us, that is why his precious blood was shed.

Read my thread I got out there about the two laws, thats my point

 

[Benoni]

Read my thread I got out there about the two laws, thats my point

So are we now Jewish and we observe the law?

 

[Bro.T]

So are we now Jewish and we observe the law?

I know who I am, don't know if you know who you are, but,
rather you believe or not, you have to keep the law, that
my point. Take some time and read all my threads and study
them, it will help you obtain salvation, if you disagree, I understand.

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(Revelation 22:14)

peace in jesus name

 

[kellyc]

tanzel, now you have said that those of us who do not agree with your ....er.. interpretations do not have salvation. i don't think anything anyone says will make an impression on you, you are convinced that everyone in the universe is wrong but you.
i pray that anyone reading this thread is given discernment.

 

[Bro.T]

tanzel, now you have said that those of us who do not agree with your ....er.. interpretations do not have salvation. i don't think anything anyone says will make an impression on you, you are convinced that everyone in the universe is wrong but you.
i pray that anyone reading this thread is given discernment.

I said help, there are two resurrection, didn't you know, lets take look shall we.

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev. 14:12)

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.(Rev.20:4-6)

The first resurrection is those that keep the Lord commandments, those
are call saints, now, the second resurrection, will be judge on according
to their works.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

peace in jesus name

 

[kellyc]

you only need ONE salvation.

 

[hiumble1]

people in here think they are no longer under the law.... which is true if you have not broken the law.... the law has no hold upon you through Christ... But his death and resurrection were payment for our sins (breaking the law). Now you are called to repent (sin no more, turn from sin and towards God) have you done that? are you still lying? lusting?, stealing (even if small item), blaspheming God's Name, etc [also within your thoughts]... if you are still commiting these acts you are still under the law, being a law breaker. Salvation through Jesus Christ is not license to sin. [keeping in mind the sin of ommision: know the good you ought to do and yet do not do it]

So you crucify Tanzel; ask yourself are you without sin... has your sins been forgiven and paid for... have you placed you trust and faith in christ alone... have you repented from sins...

then

 

[kellyc]

tanzel has said over and over you must earn your salvation, which none of us can do.

 

[hiumble1]

I think there might be confusion...
It is not earned it is a gift (grace) unmerited... lest any man boast...
No it is not earned...
But I think from reading some of his posts, he is pointing to the unsaved, to someone who does not have salvation... the law stands before him/her showing him/her guilty and shutting his/her mouth... you are under the law as long as fine has not been paid and as long as you do not repent...
does no good to have fine paid and continue to commit that which is wicked in the yes of the lord (which is within the law)
that is salvation

now to carry allittle further do you Obey the lord and keep his commands?... for he commanded us to do things (only a fool would be hearers of the word and not doers of the word) he likened it to building upon sand versus building upon the rock... do you love your enemies? bless those who curse you? do you spread the gospel out (go ye; even though your name is not ye)... people always say I am letting my light shine (sorry not good enough; open your mouth; words will come; we all cant be preachers like Billy graham, but we can still speak)
he said he would call those friends who obeyed him and kept his commands... if you are having trouble with all of the above pray about it... pray for the boldness, compassion, passion, wisdom of word, a heart for the lost, patience and pray them from the heart...

 

[kellyc]

maybe you understand him better than i do then.

 

[hiumble1]

sometimes it becomes hard when we grab a hold of some words and run with them ( i have done) could still be wrong; but it seemed that was his point...

When we look at christianity and the Bible salvation is simple... so if we were to die right now what do we need?!!... then the message is simple... now for those that go onto be laborers/disciples, the task becomes great, (he said we would be persecuted and go through trials and tribulations; so ask yourself if we do nothing how will we be persecuted, people dont persecute nice people, they will if you mention the name Jesus... but fear not he overcame the world...
so greater is he who is in you then he who is in the world

 

[Bro.T]

tanzel has said over and over you must earn your salvation, which none of us can do.

Well that sounds sad, cause I've been going it for very long time now,
and I know that I am not special, you have to be taught, like everything
else, just like that high paying job, you'll work for, but you given up before
you try.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
(James 2:17,18)

Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? (james 2:21)

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
(James 2:24)

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26)

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city
(Rev. 22:14)

peace in jesus name

 

[Floatingaxe]

We are to be doers of the Word and not hearers only, but for all our doing, works will never save us--even if we haven't performed one. It is faith in Jesus Christ alone that saves us, which then leads to good works.

James 2:14-25
Faith without Good Deeds Is Dead

14 What good is it, dear brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but don’t show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? 15 Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothing, 16 and you say, “Good-bye and have a good day; stay warm and eat well”—but then you don’t give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? 17 So you see, faith by itself isn’t enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
18 Now someone may argue, “Some people have faith; others have good deeds.” But I say, “How can you show me your faith if you don’t have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds.”
19 You say you have faith, for you believe that there is one God.[f] Good for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror. 20 How foolish! Can’t you see that faith without good deeds is useless?
21 Don’t you remember that our ancestor Abraham was shown to be right with God by his actions when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see, his faith and his actions worked together. His actions made his faith complete. 23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say: “Abraham believed God, and God counted him as righteous because of his faith.” He was even called the friend of God. 24 So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.
25 Rahab the prostitute is another example. She was shown to be right with God by her actions when she hid those messengers and sent them safely away by a different road. 26 Just as the body is dead without breath, so also faith is dead without good works.

 

[hiumble1]

tanzel,
if you faith and no works you have nothing... I do not believe at this point that you believe that salvation is by works.... what you speak of is faith and not salvation...

It is like me saying I have faith in this parachute... that if I put it on it will surely save my life... then someone comes up to me and says come on lets go up to 20,000 feet and jump out of a plane... I look at them and say you are nuts!!!... what, dont you believe that the parachute will save you? yeah!... well come one.. NO!....
you do not have faith that it will do what it is designed to do.... now my faith will not me save the parachute saves me but by my actions I show my faith... that I believe God is who he says he is and he will do what he says he will do... putting feet to your faith is beyond important...
There is a saying or analogy in facing the giants:
there was a serious drought, and 2 farmers were in desperate need of Rain or else they would loose their crops. So the 2 men prayed to God, that he would bring rain and save the crops. One of the men went out right after the prayer and prepaired his fields for the rain the other did not, who do you think got rain?

 

[plmarquette]

If you are of that "persuasion"; then it is a valid question ....how do I resolve what I believe , which differs from what others say....

If you are not of that ilk...then it is not your problem....matthew 18.15-21; ezekiel 3.18-24 ...is being there, building a friendship, showing love and compassion , that if and when some one who is down, needs a friend, a shoulder, a kind word ...you demostrate the love of Jesus ...

whether your position is right or not, you are defeated 10 words in ....for a friend offended is harder to win than a walled city ....you do not have a relationship with the people you debate...all you accomplish is to make them angry and become more entrenched in their present condition ...you solve nothing..

 

[Floatingaxe]

If you are of that "persuasion"; then it is a valid question ....how do I resolve what I believe , which differs from what others say....

If you are not of that ilk...then it is not your problem....matthew 18.15-21; ezekiel 3.18-24 ...is being there, building a friendship, showing love and compassion , that if and when some one who is down, needs a friend, a shoulder, a kind word ...you demostrate the love of Jesus ...

whether your position is right or not, you are defeated 10 words in ....for a friend offended is harder to win than a walled city ....you do not have a relationship with the people you debate...all you accomplish is to make them angry and become more entrenched in their present condition ...you solve nothing..