Wait a minute, the Bible does not even support the Day you go to church on, which
is sunday, and Galatians the 3rd chapter is not talking about the ten commandments, its talking about the animal scarifical law and I told you, I'm threw trying to convince
you, you stay stuck with your believe, buddy, I understand prophesy, very well, so
I know what going on, I'm teaching people to prepare themself for a time like never before.I got nothing against you, guys, you'll see what I'm saying in the future, it a fact. You making your self look bad in the eyes of God, cause you trying to make me look bad on these threads, instead of letting people make there on decision, see I don't have to do that, cause I know what I'm putting out is real and uncut. You basically go in one chapter Galatians 3, to try to prove a point, but I go all over the Bible proving my point, all the scriptures and verses thats tell us to keep the law, even out of Jesus mouth, at lease I gave you verses that you can't commit about, instead you have to try to find something, to say about me, sad dude, plus I was actually answering zerosaiyaman, your fruits are showing, and it doesn't look good.
See, you trying to make me look bad, and I'm reading people threads, people starting
to understand that the sabbath day is the seventh of the week, which is going to change the whole out look on that doctrine that sunday carrys. All over the Bible
the Law is mention to keep.
For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. (Matthew 13:15-17)
Here you go again misinterpreting scripture again! Did you even bother reading the passages before or after it? Woe unto you, truly!
Matthew 13: 11-23 NIV
11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[
a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
18"Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: 19When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. 20The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. 22The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. 23But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown."
The prophets kept the law.
Do you have no regard for time frame at all? They kept the law because they were living at a time when it was what they had, Paul tells us he acted like one under the law so as to help bring people to the truth of Christ! You have no regard for the order or context of scripture!
I'm done convincing you, ok, you trying to kill me on these threads, like they tried to kill jesus
How
DARE you sir. How DARE you. You are spreading this legalistic fallacy and suddenly you think the fact I confront you with the truth of scripture, that I'm trying to crucify you? I want you to open your eyes and see the truth! Past the scales on your eyes that blind you from the truth!
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me? (John 7:19)
Again you love to pick and choose your verses without taking into consideration their context!
John 7:14-24 NIV
14Not until halfway through the Feast did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach. 15The Jews were amazed and asked, "How did this man get such learning without having studied?" 16Jesus answered, "My teaching is not my own. It comes from him who sent me. 17If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. 19Has not Moses given you the law? Yet not one of you keeps the law. Why are you trying to kill me?"
20"You are demon-possessed," the crowd answered. "Who is trying to kill you?"
21Jesus said to them, "I did one miracle, and you are all astonished. 22Yet, because Moses gave you circumcision (though actually it did not come from Moses, but from the patriarchs), you circumcise a child on the Sabbath. 23Now if a child can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing the whole man on the Sabbath? 24Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment."
These people are wanting to kill Christ because He was doing something right. They thought it unlawful to heal a man on the sabbath when yet they circumcise a child. Then Christ tells them to stop judging by appearances and make a right judgment. People going by the law of Moses, yet being told to make a right judgment. So tanzel, I ask you, look at what you're really saying here, make a right judgment by God, not by what your legalism tells you.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (Matthew 7:13-14)
This isn't even about the law anymore. This is talking about accepting Christ. Christ is the way, the truth, the life.
John 14:6,7 NIV
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[
b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
Christ is the way to God. Christ is the atonement for all mankind. Christ is the fulfillment of the law. THE ENTIRE LAW.
Matthew 5:17-20 NIV
17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
If He claimed to come only fulfill the laws referring to animal sacrifice, would He not have said so? Therefore I tell you, He is the fulfillment of the ENTIRE law! We do not live by the commandments or the law of Moses, we live by the law of the Spirit! The Holy Spirit of the Living God is our guide in life now! Who comes to us through Christ! This is the new covenant tanzel, do not deny the works of God!
Blessed are they thatdo his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14)
As from the other thread, what are Christ's commandments?
Matthew 22:34-40 NIV
34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[
b] 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[
c] 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Does it say to love the law of Moses? Does it say to love the commandments more so than God?
Not in the least.
I can't take your arguments seriously because you aren't arguing on the behalf of God. You are not pleading His case before the people here. You are pleading the case of a false doctrine, you are presenting a false truth, that is, a lie, to the people of this board. That is why I keep refuting you, because so long as you try and spread these lies, that is as long as I will try and spread the truth. It grieves me you do not see the error of your work.
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You continue to post these things speaking of the law, when you have no idea what you are talking about. LogosRhema was right about one thing, and after so many arguments with you, that is, you do not teach by the Spirit of the Living God.
" When Jesus died on the cross he caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease. This signified the end of the law of animal sacrifice, not Gods Royal law. Paul explained this in[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law [/FONT](what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.[/FONT]
Here is something else you do. You are CLEARLY inserting your OWN opinion into the scripture! If Paul meant the animal sacrifice laws, HE WOULD HAVE SAID SO. The law was a shadow for the coming of the Messiah, that is Jesus Christ, for in Him the law is fulfilled entirely. He fulfilled the law so that we would no longer bear the burden of having to follow it, because from the start, IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR MORTAL MAN TO DO! Christ was able to fulfill the law because He is perfect! We are not! So He took on that burden for us, He became our intercessor, to plead our case to the Father on our behalf! Think man, think!
When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood
of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman](v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. [/FONT]In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman](v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins. [/FONT]Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. [FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman](v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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Hebrew 10: 29-31 NIV
[/FONT]29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"[
d] and again, "The Lord will judge his people."[
e] 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Indeed, there are consequences for sinning after having accept Christ. As it says here:
1 Corinthians 3:10-15
10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
Because we are spared judgment by coming to Christ, because there
is no condemnation for those in Christ. Period. What is left however to be judged is the works that we do. The things we do on a day to day basis, either for the good of the Kingdom and towards His glory, or towards our own selfish desires, begotten by sin. Those that are good will withstand, those that are not will be burnt up. Read the scriptures in full, then come to understanding. Do not pick and choose.
Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).
I don't worry about keeping His commandments because His Holy Spirit within me guides me towards what is righteous and proper. For it is what Christ promised us, to send us the Helper, that is the Holy Spirit of the Living God.
John 14:15-21 NIV
15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[
c] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
You do yourself ill by seeking to live by the law of moses, for the Holy Spirit guides you to do what is right, and in your love for God you will see the law being obeyed, for it is what is right by default. You say you love God's law, yet you have no love for God. Even in all of this you are so far yet so close, the love of God brings the law underfoot. For by doing what is right by God you will not go against it, but even if you do, you will not be damned to the lake of fire, for the one who saved you has overcome it. The love of God is greater than your misdeeds or mine. The law is nailed to the Cross, with the one who fulfilled it. So have faith in the one who fulfilled it and love the one who could do it and you will see it being obeyed. They obeyed the law by loving Christ. They fulfilled the law by believing and hoping in the one who fulfilled it. This is why the written code is canceled, for one greater than us gave us a way to life in that placing faith in one who had the power to live a perfect life would grant us the fulfillment by His grace. By His love He did this. By His love we are redeemed. There is no condemnation for those in Christ, because those in Christ have fuilfilled the law by believing in Him. This is your folly. You try and fulfill the law of moses by your own works, by your own actions. Yet you have not the power to do this. You have not the spirit to do so. You have sinned, so the entire law is broken, and the punishmet is death. Yet one has come and died in our place who has not trespassed, who has not sinned. By His death Christ freed us from the law so that we may live, though it becomes part of us because of our faith in God. The law, the written code is gone. We live by the Spirit of God now. So please, brother, consider this warning I give you. If you continue in the law you will surely find the end it will bring, and there will be no repentance for those who cast down the One most High, but surely in Faith you will see salvation, because He is greater than ourselves, who did what we could not, or ever hope to do. Continue in faith and the Lord will lead you to righteousness, righteousness for His glory. Right now, by trying to fulfill the law on your power, the only one you seek to glorify is yourself.
To touch on a point, where you seem to be of the idea that I advocate sin, I assure you I do not. In fact, to live by the New Covenant, what constitutes sin actually
increases over what the law of the old covenant did, because we enter into a purer union with the Lord. Christ tells us that to murder someone is no different than being angry with them. However, in the 10 Commandments it was just You Shall not Commit Murder, the act of killing someone. Yet, does that mean the person was blameless if they
wanted to kill someone? Not in the least, it would be quite contemptable if someone told you they wanted to kill you, but they won't. The mere fact they wished to do harm to you is evil in the eyes of God. The physical act may bring worse trespass, but the heart is guilty of the act even if the body does commit it. So we enter into a more perfect relationship with our Heavenly Father in the New Covenant. Though the standard rises, we are spared our deserved fate by His grace, so that His glory is made that much more abundant. That is, we live by His Holy Spirit, learning by His Holiness as to what is and what is not sin. It is why the law is abolished, why it is nailed to the cross, because we come to know the very heart of God Himself, while the ten commandments could only ever allude to it. We are a work in progress, our salvation a lifelong process. His laws become written on our hearts, because the relationship is that much closer. To love God, we will not idolize false gods, will we not commit murder, we will not lust after our neighbors wives, because we are showing our love for Him. The talk of Sabbath and keeping it holy was an allusion to the rest from our works of the law by coming into Christ. HE is our Sabbath rest. HE is our fulfillment of the law. A task we cannot do under our own power, so it is indeed fruitless to try, when we could be having a much holier and wholesome relationship with God Almighty Himself rather than at a distance through the rules and regulations of the written code.
So it is easy to see why one would deduce the the Ten Commandments were not abolished, because we see that behavior reflected in the New Covenant. But yet, they do not follow the ten commandments or hold to the law because they demonstrate the behavior that observing them would bring, but because by the very nature of a loving relationship of God, these qualities are revealed. It is not following the law that brings this, it is loving the Lord that enabled them to do these things. They were in the Sabbath rest of Christ, they were not following false idols because the Lord is so very real and dear to them. They did not commit adultery because it was not a Holy thing to do.
It is not a difficult matter to see WHY people would think the commandments are still in effect, though they have effectively been nailed to the cross. They are the written interpretation of virtues central to the heart of the Lord. Things which He detests. So to say the 10 Commandments are still standing is incorrect, to say they are abolished entirely is only applicable to the written code. For we come to know the heart of the Lord in the Law of the Spirit. His commandments become a code of conduct which becomes central to who we are, as it is written,
Hebrews 10:16 NIV
16"This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds."[
a]
Indeed. The written code is abolished. We now enter the a much more personal era, one that is everlasting. The Lord dwells within us by power of the Spirit, and we with Him by the same merit. Christ is now within us because of the Holy Spirit of God. For God is one, but God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as well. The written code is obsolete, because one much more pure and good has come. The New Covenant usurps the old, for the new is a relationship with the Lord Almighty that we can finally have. The issue at hand however, is your claim that one cannot love God for one has not seen Him. Yet, what is faith but anticipation of things usneen? What hope in the Lord but faith in the promise of His words, and in His return? What is love of the Lord but brought by faith in that which has been promised to us? To say we can only love His commandments is to fall short of an expectation that even we mortal man is capable of obtaining, though we have fallen far from grace, that is to say, faith in the One everlasting, hope in the promise of the Kingdom to come, love in He who has been sent by the Father to mediate for us. It is all well and good to try and act in accordance with what is righteous for certain, but we can only do that once we have obtained that righteousness. We cannot work our hands to gain it, for it was beyond our grasp the moment sin entered our lives. So how then can we obtain a righteousness greater than the Pharisees, if they, the ones who taught the law could not obtain it? Simply by having faith in the One who could. How powerful the grace of the Lord truly is for such a thing, and yet how far we have to go in our understanding if we say such things as, the law is the only thing we can love for it is visible to us. Have you not love for Christ? Have you no love for the Father? We have not seen either Father nor Son, but the Spirit does come to us, though He is unseen. We must not look to our earthly limitations in these things, or rely on a strength that can fail us, for only by God's great righteousness are we able to be freed of the shackles that condemn us and hold us in our sin. Man has not the power to take away his sin, only God most high ever could. So what then of the law and its fulfillment? Its establishment?
The law sees its fulfillment in loving God, and His commandments are obeyed, simply by being close to Him! Yet to go back to the written code, is to step away from following God as a child of God, coming onto the Father as through Christ, to following a more rigid and distance set of regulations. What speaks a more powerful message: you not hurting a person because they are your friend, or because there is a restraining order against you? The same end is met, the person is not harmed.
Yet, the heart of the matter is entirely different. On the one hand, the person matters to you, you do not wish harm to befall them. On the other, they are not harmed, but yet you might hold contempt for them, and it may be so much that you break that restraining order and the law is violated, and the person is harmed, and you are guilty. Do you see the difference? The ten commandments are allusions to ten principles that God does indeed hold in high esteem, and desires that we follow. But what brings Him more glory, that we follow them as to obey a written code, or they see their fulfillment because we do our best to please Him and bring Him glory? It is why Christ says the law and the prophets hang on the two commandments of love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. Because you care, because you are kind, because you are selfless towards these people, in your devotion to God, in your love for God, that you seek His will hernestly, that you do your best to treat those you love with kindness and caring, this is why the law is fulfilled. Because if you love, the law will not be an issue. Though we are not perfect creatures. God knows this, it is why it was necessary for a means to cover our sins for all times, because we would sin, and Lord knows I'll sin again because I am not perfect, though I should not desire and strive to not do so, less I do a bad work that will be met with flame, and the reward of an honest life is lost. So do your best, live by faith and hope in Christ's salvation, and continue in your love for God. It is as I have said numerous times. If you love God with all you are, the law will see its fulfillment.
