Homosexuality

[suzieqtc69]

I know what you mean Brieuse, and have been where you are. It is also the reason I only go on what Jesus and the Bible say, and try to be so non-judgemental. However, truth is that one day we will all be judged for our own actions, so we need to make sure they are in line with what Christ says, whether or not we like it. I do take what some may say is a hard stance, but only in line with what the Bible says. I have to believe all the Bible, as otherwise I may not be saved at all if what it says is not all true, and I want to have faith and belief in God.

Also, only as I have had to already overcome this myself which happened only by the Grace of God and Healing from the Holy Spirit. I would love to pray for you, especially as you feel from a post you made elsewhere, that our own prayers were not sufficient. I feel for you & just want Jesus's love, grace, mercy, peace and His forgiveness to wash over you right now. His grace is sufficient for you, as it is for all of us, we can only change if we surrender to Him.

If we give up and say we can't change, we are limiting God's promise and He says He is able to do anything, we just need to believe Him. It would be the same for a murderer on death row, and some of them come to Jesus and are changed, so who are we to say that they are born like it and should just accept it and be happy? That is wrong. Im not saying you are thinking like this, but others are and I have been in prayer this morning for them to have their eyes opened so they can see through all satan's deception and be saved in Jesus.

Jesus died for us all, He also loves us all, but He also askes all of us to not sin if we want to spend eternity with Him, so its our choice if we follow His word or not. It is a choice whether or not the world is accepting of that, satan will try to make us believe that we were born that way and cannot change, he will even use other's who call them selves Christian, to deceive us into thinking the same thing. I say but Thank God that Jesus died to save us and so as to be able to transform us into something new and changed by the Power of the Holy Spirit, just as He did with Saul and many others. Hallelujiah!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

I came across a story about Michael Glatze, former Young Gay America editor, who denounced homosexuality for reasons disclosed in his article: http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56487

Thank you for that excellent link!

I really agree with the excellent thoughts in this exerpt:


Lust takes us out of our bodies, "attaching" our psyche onto someone else's physical form. That's why homosexual sex – and all other lust-based sex – is never satisfactory: It's a neurotic process rather than a natural, normal one. Normal is normal – and has been called normal for a reason.

Abnormal means "that which hurts us, hurts normal." Homosexuality takes us out of our normal state, of being perfectly united in all things, and divides us, causing us to forever pine for an outside physical object that we can never possess.

Homosexual people – like all people – yearn for the mythical true love, which does actually exist. The problem with homosexuality is that true love only comes when we have nothing preventing us from letting it shine forth from within. We cannot fully be ourselves when our minds are trapped in a cycle and group-mentality of sanctioned, protected and celebrated lust. ​

 

[Floatingaxe]

Some churches don't. I'm yet to be convinced that God doesn't, though.

David.

The Church of Jesus Christ gets her instruction from Him. "Churches", however, often don't.

 

[Floatingaxe]

So are you saying that Ohioprof "makes a practice of sinning" and "keeps on sinning"? How do you know, have you got some sort of spycam set up in her house?

David.

We don't need a spycam. Openly homosexual people give themselves away.

 

[lincolngreen50]

We don't need a spycam. Openly homosexual people give themselves away.

An Homosexual desire is sin.
A lustful desire is sin.
Commiting sodomy is sin.

 

[lincolngreen50]

Prof, I think you are missing my point. You can call yourself whatever you want, I believe we all have the freedom to do that.

I'm not talking about what it takes for someone to be Christian. I'm speaking of the definition of "Christian".

If you deny that Jesus is Christ, then Christ must not exist, right? If that is the case, then if you define yourself as a "Christ"ian, you are claiming belief in something that you believe does not exist. See the contradiction? Are you coining the term "Christian" just so your beliefs will blend in better ? I just don't see another reason for the deception/misdirection.

Excellent post ,you have hit the nail on the head

 

[onemessiah]

Only people who have had a life-changing, regenerating meeting with the living God through the resurrected Jesus Christ, the Messiah, can call themselves Christians.

Okay, in all seriousness, what do you mean by that? Do you mean a literal meeting with God?

I asked you something similiar before, something about conversations with god, but you took it the wrong way...I'm not being insulting (at least that isn't my intent, it's out of my control how someone percieves the question).

 

[onemessiah]

If you deny that Jesus is Christ, then Christ must not exist, right? If that is the case, then if you define yourself as a "Christ"ian, you are claiming belief in something that you believe does not exist. See the contradiction? Are you coining the term "Christian" just so your beliefs will blend in better ? I just don't see another reason for the deception/misdirection.

No...just because someone doesn't believe jesus is the messiah, it doesn't mean they don't believe he existed. Many examples of that are in the bible itself. Jews for example, believe he existed but is not the messiah. Even some atheists believe he existed.

The difference is, whoever he really was (assuming he existed), he was a mentor whose legacy is to be admired and emulated. He may or may not be the messiah, but undoubtedly he was a great moral leader and teacher.
There's nothing wrong with someone (like ohioprof or myself) who can't find enough (any?) evidence to believe anything the bible says, yet at the same time can see the beauty in the sayings attributed to Jesus.
I'm not stating this as a fact, this is only my guess, but I'm willing to bet that ohioprof doesn't even believe jesus is the messiah, or anything else the bible portrays him as. But so what? That's not her fault. There's no evidence to lead her to that conclusion. But yet she still wants to follow his teachings. If she wants to live like he did, without accepting all the harmful garbage commonly found in religious texts, I think that makes her a better christian than most.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Okay, in all seriousness, what do you mean by that? Do you mean a literal meeting with God?

I asked you something similiar before, something about conversations with god, but you took it the wrong way...I'm not being insulting (at least that isn't my intent, it's out of my control how someone percieves the question).

In every true believer's life (they will tell you!) there is a moment in time that occurs where he has a realization that he is a sinner in need of redemption...that he needs to be made right before God. It is at that moment that he comes before Jesus Christ and repents of his sin and asks Jesus to forgive him, which He does! He forgives because He always does, and then He enters into relationship with him.

He comes in and sweeps our houses clean, and by His Holy Spirit lives inside us. Our very bodies become His temple! We know that we must live in ways that please and honour Him. We become new creatures, totally new in mind and spirit, with a new focus and direction.

Yes, it is a literal and life-altering encounter with God...our One Messiah!

 

[Ohioprof]

No...just because someone doesn't believe jesus is the messiah, it doesn't mean they don't believe he existed. Many examples of that are in the bible itself. Jews for example, believe he existed but is not the messiah. Even some atheists believe he existed.

The difference is, whoever he really was (assuming he existed), he was a mentor whose legacy is to be admired and emulated. He may or may not be the messiah, but undoubtedly he was a great moral leader and teacher.
There's nothing wrong with someone (like ohioprof or myself) who can't find enough (any?) evidence to believe anything the bible says, yet at the same time can see the beauty in the sayings attributed to Jesus.
I'm not stating this as a fact, this is only my guess, but I'm willing to bet that ohioprof doesn't even believe jesus is the messiah, or anything else the bible portrays him as. But so what? That's not her fault. There's no evidence to lead her to that conclusion. But yet she still wants to follow his teachings. If she wants to live like he did, without accepting all the harmful garbage commonly found in religious texts, I think that makes her a better christian than most.

Thank you for your kind words.

I don't think Jet meant that I don't think Jesus existed. I think he was making a distinction between Jesus and the Christ, which translates as "anointed one" and is commonly thought of in Christianity as meaning the messiah. I think Jet's point to me was that if I don't believe Jesus was the messiah, then I don't believe in Jesus as Christ, which means I shouldn't call myself Christian. I should more accurately call myself a Jesus follower.

It's true that I am a Jesus follower. So, apparently, were many of the early Christians, who did not regard Jesus as the messiah but as a great teacher. There was much diversity among early Christians, and much disagreement. By the 4th century, men in power succeeded in instituting a Christian orthodoxy and driving those who disagreed out of the fold. They also sought to destroy or suppress the writings of those who disagreed, but they did not succeed in this. However, they established an orthodoxy that is still adhered to by many Christians today. But people who call themselves Christian and who depart from that orthodoxy have continued to exist and to practice their faith down through the centuries, and it is in that tradition that I call myself Christian. My views are clearly not orthodox Christian doctrine, but I believe they are Christian.

 

[onemessiah]

In every true believer's life (they will tell you!) there is a moment in time that occurs where he has a realization that he is a sinner in need of redemption...that he needs to be made right before God. It is at that moment that he comes before Jesus Christ and repents of his sin and asks Jesus to forgive him, which He does! He forgives because He always does, and then He enters into relationship with him.

He comes in and sweeps our houses clean, and by His Holy Spirit lives inside us. Our very bodies become His temple! We know that we must live in ways that please and honour Him. We become new creatures, totally new in mind and spirit, with a new focus and direction.

Yes, it is a literal and life-altering encounter with God...our One Messiah!

Okay, thank you; I understand what you mean now.

I've had a few people actually tell me they speak to god and he literally speaks back to them in response, that's why I was asking.

 

[Floatingaxe]

No...just because someone doesn't believe jesus is the messiah, it doesn't mean they don't believe he existed. Many examples of that are in the bible itself. Jews for example, believe he existed but is not the messiah. Even some atheists believe he existed.

The difference is, whoever he really was (assuming he existed), he was a mentor whose legacy is to be admired and emulated. He may or may not be the messiah, but undoubtedly he was a great moral leader and teacher.
There's nothing wrong with someone (like ohioprof or myself) who can't find enough (any?) evidence to believe anything the bible says, yet at the same time can see the beauty in the sayings attributed to Jesus.
I'm not stating this as a fact, this is only my guess, but I'm willing to bet that ohioprof doesn't even believe jesus is the messiah, or anything else the bible portrays him as. But so what? That's not her fault. There's no evidence to lead her to that conclusion. But yet she still wants to follow his teachings. If she wants to live like he did, without accepting all the harmful garbage commonly found in religious texts, I think that makes her a better christian than most.

Hardly.

1 John 4:3
But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.


This scripture speaks of how we can judge the prophetic. We also can distinguish false believers as well by the same criteria.

 

[onemessiah]

Hardly.

1 John 4:3
But if someone claims to be a prophet and does not acknowledge the truth about Jesus, that person is not from God. Such a person has the spirit of the Antichrist, which you heard is coming into the world and indeed is already here.


This scripture speaks of how we can judge the prophetic. We also can distinguish false believers as well by the same criteria.

Oh, don't get me wrong...I don't doubt that biblically speaking, people like that aren't considered christians (although honestly it's a topic I never really put much thought into). But to me, that's just another reason to not like the bible.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Oh, don't get me wrong...I don't doubt that biblically speaking, people like that aren't considered christians (although honestly it's a topic I never really put much thought into). But to me, that's just another reason to not like the bible.

People who dislike the Bible are afraid.

 

[Ohioprof]

People who dislike the Bible are afraid.

And how do you know this? You are a psychologist who can diagnose people you have never met?

 

[Floatingaxe]

And how do you know this? You are a psychologist who can diagnose people you have never met?

One doesn't need to have a degree in psychology to know the spiritual truth about how people fear being convicted of their sin.

 

[Ohioprof]

One doesn;t need to have a degree in psychology to know the spiritual truth about how people fear being convicted of their sin.

Here's an alternative explanation. Some people don't like having their love relationships denigrated on the basis of an ancient book. So they reject the book. That sounds more plausible to me than your notion.

 

[shepsgirl]

Here's an alternative explanation. Some people don't like having their love relationships denigrated on the basis of an ancient book. So they reject the book. That sounds more plausible to me than your notion.

So does that mean that you agree the Bible is against homosexuality?

 

[LunarPlexus]

Here's an alternative explanation. Some people don't like having their love relationships denigrated on the basis of an ancient book. So they reject the book. That sounds more plausible to me than your notion.

A good explanation.

 

[Polycarp1]

An Homosexual desire is sin.
A lustful desire is sin.
Commiting sodomy is sin.

So is sitting in judgment over the sins of another. We're not talking here about counseling another privately over what you see as sin; we're talking public statements that can only be construed as direct accusation and condemnation for sin.

Now, guess which one of those two sins Jesus is explicitly recorded as having condemned?