Homosexuality

[savedandhappy1]

HI david,
This subforum is for Christian theological debates, and since the forum change it's open to everyone. So anyone can participate regardless of their beliefs, but to actually make progress they should really stay within the Christian Theology context. (although it rarely happens)

Even when it was supposed to be for Christians only it wasn't. There were many who would admit they weren't Christians, and yet they weren't removed from the threads that were to be for Christians only. All they had to do was put some Christian icon in their stuff and say they were to post.

Some were even reported with the post that showed them admitting they weren't a Christian, and nothing was done. People were told they couldn't judge someone if they said they were a Christian they could stay, even when it wouldn't be judging if the person posted that they had lied to get to post in this section. So nothing really has changed.

 

[united4Peace]

Even when it was supposed to be for Christians only it wasn't. There were many who would admit they weren't Christians, and yet they weren't removed from the threads that were to be for Christians only. All they had to do was put some Christian icon in their stuff and say they were to post.

Some were even reported with the post that showed them admitting they weren't a Christian, and nothing was done. People were told they couldn't judge someone if they said they were a Christian they could stay, even when it wouldn't be judging if the person posted that they had lied to get to post in this section. So nothing really has changed.

Yes but saved it also went where some of us Christians were reported by other Christians that we werent Christians as we believed differently than what another did...
I remember being reported many times for "Not" being a Christian...when indeed I am...just I didnt fit the persons model of one...

Anyhoo....nice to see you...hope all is well

 

[Leah]

Let me make this clear: John 1 is talking about Christ, NOT the Bible. The Bible NEVER calls itself the Word. To call it the Word is IDOLATRY. I do not lack faith in the Bible, because I don't put my faith in a compendium of writings from 2000 years ago. I put my faith in the person that the Bible points to: the only living Word of God Himself: Christ.

The Bible is not divine.

So then why have the bible at all?

 

[Leah]

No.

Then what does He expect/require of us?

 

[Leah]

First of all, LogosRhema, last time I checked, Christ not the Bible is the only Word of God the Bible itself recognises. Secondly, your (inaccurate) interpretation of it is definitely not the Word of God. Do not assume that what seems obvious to you is obvious to anyone else.

But....you're doing the exact same thing you're telling Logos not to do, Arty.

 

[Leah]

And I'll pray for you as well. We may hold different beliefs, but we are fellow human beings and fellow Christians.

If you both have different beliefs, yet are christians, then how is that you expect God to hear two different DIVISIVE prayers, accorinding to your own way of thinking????. Because according to both of you, one of your beliefs is wrong.

That doesn't make sense and I, IMO, would be mindful about this.

To be fellow christians is also to love one another and want the same thing Christ would want for us all in aspect of our lives in HIM. Our own personal beliefs and perspectives have no part in this and never will.

As I said before, this is not about us. It's about the kingdom.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I have never mocked Jesus. I try to follow the teachings of Jesus. I don't agree with you about what Jesus actually said. Believing differently from you is not "mocking" Jesus or anyone. It's just holding different beliefs, a different view of who Jesus was and what he did.

CHRISTIANS DO NOT have opposing views of what He is and what He did!

CHRISTIANS BELIEVE HIM! You don't. You call Him a liar by your beliefs. You call God a liar by your beliefs. In other words: you do not accept Christ, because you believe He is dead. THAT is mockery.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Sorry, I don't believe in that. I have no intention of doing "work" to try to stop being how God made me. That's that.

Then you will remain in your sins and pay for them yourself...and that's that.

 

[Leah]

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.


This is in reference to the word of written and spoken...notice the "it".

This, along with 2Timothy 3:16-17 (pay VERY close attention and THINK about what verse 17 means and how important it is for every christian).

Good post, FA.

 

[LogosRhema]

If you both have different beliefs, yet are christians, then how is that you expect God to hear two different DIVISIVE prayers, accorinding to your own way of thinking????. Because according to both of you, one of your beliefs is wrong.

That doesn't make sense and I, IMO, would be mindful about this.

To be fellow christians is also to love one another and want the same thing Christ would want for us all in aspect of our lives in HIM. Our own personal beliefs and perspectives have no part in this and never will.

As I said before, this is not about us. It's about the kingdom.

My prayer for him was simply that he'd be sensitive to God and that God worked on him as much as he's working on me, I didn't pray for him to see and follow my side... That's witch craft, might as well start casting spells or something if I were to doing that

 

[Floatingaxe]

Nope, it's not. Being in love with someone of the same sex doesn't prevent a person from following Christ's teachings in any way.

Yes it does, Starlight. Disobedience is the order of the day in such people. They obey their flesh, not God.

 

[Leah]

Yeah, it might lead people actually to think!

Thinking is always good. God encourages it.

For themselves! With the brains that God gave them!

Yeah and but isnt' it true that God also wants us to not be independent of Him? Not that we are robots or anything, but when I 'think for myself' and then use the bible as my standard of living, it acutally improves my way of thinking. The consequence is that God, not me, gets the glory. Yes, I reap the good seed I've sown, but in the long run, it's never for myself. It's for others as well.


Think about that.

 

[Leah]

My prayer for him was simply that he'd be sensitive to God and that God worked on him as much as he's working on me, I didn't pray for him to see and follow my side... That's witch craft, might as well start casting spells or something if I were to doing that

OOOOO, don't bust out with witchcraft talk, LA, lest youget some serious flack for that! That's a horrible word to say.

 

[LogosRhema]

OOOOO, don't bust out with witchcraft talk, LA, lest youget some serious flack for that! That's a horrible word to say.

*summons a dragon* now... is this ok? *shrugs*

 

[Brieuse]

Yes it does, Starlight. Disobedience is the order of the day in such people. They obey their flesh, not God.

By your logic, men who marry women are also obeying their flesh and not God.

 

[Floatingaxe]

By your logic, men who marry women are also obeying their flesh and not God.

Yes, some do, and not by any of my logic--but by man's own fleshly desires, confusing what true love is, and not listening to God.

But in sanctified people, those who are committed believers, they are not going to be marrying for the motive of satisfying the flesh., but out of love for each other and because they know that God has blessed them with their mate. God is the third member of the marriage.

 

[David Brider]

Yes, some do, and not by any of my logic--but by man's own fleshly desires, confusing what true love is, and not listening to God.

But in sanctified people, those who are committed believers, they are not going to be marrying for the motive of satisfying the flesh., but out of love for each other and because they know that God has blessed them with their mate. God is the third member of the marriage.

So are you saying that - IYO - all non-Christians (hetero, homo, bi, whatever) marry for the motive of satisfying the flesh? And not because they love each other and because they believe they've found their life soulmate?

David.

 

[David Brider]

So then why have the bible at all?

To read it, to study it, to find out about what God has done in his dealings with mankind throughout history, to learn about Jesus and what it means to follow Him.

David.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Yes, some do, and not by any of my logic--but by man's own fleshly desires, confusing what true love is, and not listening to God.

But in sanctified people, those who are committed believers, they are not going to be marrying for the motive of satisfying the flesh., but out of love for each other and because they know that God has blessed them with their mate. God is the third member of the marriage.

right... so when Good Christians(TM) get married, thats wholesome fullfilment, but when anyone else does it, its filthy lustful carnal desire?

 

[Floatingaxe]

right... so when Good Christians(TM) get married, thats wholesome fullfilment, but when anyone else does it, its filthy lustful carnal desire?

Many great people marry for the right reasons and receive and give fulfillment in an honourable way. It's not carnal or lustful.

But when people of God marry, they have a totally other dimension to their relationship, which is awesome! God-centered marriages are how God created them to be, and are the most fulfilling and most successful.