Homosexuality

[Floatingaxe]

Lust: Isn't something that one practices, it's a temptation. And like so much on this list, it's in no way exclusive to homosexuals.

Sex: Nowhere near all homosexuals are sexually active, so this can hardly be a sin that openly homosexual keep practicing. In addition to which, as I've pointed out repeatedly, the few verses of Scripture that are taken to apply to homosexuality at the most refer to male-male sex (and probably not to all forms of it anyway), so for female homosexuals to be sexually active one with another doesn't seem to commented on in Scripture at all.

Lewdness, fornication, adultery: Again, nowhere near all homosexuals are engaged in any of these, in addition to which, there are a great many heterosexual people who engage in these activities.

Hypocrisy: I see hypocrisy in many parts of the Church, but very little of it from the my LGBT brothers and sisters in Christ.

Doubt: Not really a sin. We all have doubts from time to time.

Heresy: That's a very specific charge to level at anyone, regardless of their sexual orientation. Could you give specific examples of where you've seen it, particularly with regard to homosexual people?

Blasphemy: Again, a very specific charge, but not one I've noticed as being particularly prevalent amongst LGBT Christians as compared with the rest of the Church.

David.

Hey, do you need another brush for that whitewash job you're doing?

You have no idea...

 

[David Brider]

Hey, do you need another brush for that whitewash job you're doing?

You have no idea...

Oh, I dunno - if you think all those things you listed are part of the lifestyle of the average homosexual man or woman, then you have no idea, or at least very little.

David.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Oh, I dunno - if you think all those things you listed are part of the lifestyle of the average homosexual man or woman, then you have no idea, or at least very little.

David.

I believe the lifestyle encompasses that and more for many.

 

[David Brider]

I believe the lifestyle encompasses that and more for many.

You believe wrong, then.

David.

 

[Floatingaxe]

You believe wrong, then.

David.

I am absolutely not wrong.

 

[David Brider]

I am absolutely not wrong.

What is your insight into the lives of homosexual men and women based upon then? How many homosexual men and women do you know, that you can claim that their lives are full of "Lust, sex, whatever method they choose, lewdness, fornication, adultery in some, and in cases where they claim Christianity--hypocrisy, doubt, heresy, and blasphemy"? 'Cos my experience of homosexual men and women is totally at odds with that depiction of them. Just the ones who post round here would testify to the fact that you're at best misrepresenting them, and at worst painting a totally distorted picture of their lives.

In other words - yes, you're wrong.

David.

 

[Floatingaxe]

What is your insight into the lives of homosexual men and women based upon then? How many homosexual men and women do you know, that you can claim that their lives are full of "Lust, sex, whatever method they choose, lewdness, fornication, adultery in some, and in cases where they claim Christianity--hypocrisy, doubt, heresy, and blasphemy"? 'Cos my experience of homosexual men and women is totally at odds with that depiction of them. Just the ones who post round here would testify to the fact that you're at best misrepresenting them, and at worst painting a totally distorted picture of their lives.

In other words - yes, you're wrong.

David.

According to God's word, I am correct in my assessment.

Your experience may seem to you to be at odds with the assessment offered because you are at odds with God's word in the first place. Skewed views rarely see the true picture.

1 Corinthians 15:33-34
Don’t be fooled by those who say such things, for “bad company corrupts good character.” Think carefully about what is right, and stop sinning. For to your shame I say that some of you don’t know God at all.

 

[onemessiah]

Hey, do you need another brush for that whitewash job you're doing?

You have no idea...

What are you talking about?? He made very good points. "....the truth offends the wicked...."

 

[Floatingaxe]

What are you talking about?? He made very good points. "....the truth offends the wicked...."

Hahaha! Are you offended?

 

[David Brider]

According to God's word, I am correct in my assessment.

Given that in your theology, "God's word" = the Bible, can you give chapter and verse citations confirming your (erroneous) belief that the lives of homosexual men and women are (to repeat your claim) full of "Lust, sex, whatever method they choose, lewdness, fornication, adultery in some, and in cases where they claim Christianity--hypocrisy, doubt, heresy, and blasphemy"?

Your experience may seem to you to be at odds with the assessment offered because you are at odds with God's word in the first place.

Wrong; I'm at odds with your belief that God's word = the Bible, but I'm not at odds with God's Word. Far from it, I seek to live my life in accordance with God's Word and His will.

David.

 

[onemessiah]

Hahaha! Are you offended?

Me, offended? Nope. Seems you are quite defensive though; claiming he's whitewashing.

Reality= What David said.
Bible thumper= What you said.

*Disclaimer*-

Bible thumper= someone who can't deal with reality, so they let an old a$$ book written for a culture across the planet think/speak for them.


REALITY- +1
FLOATINGAXE- 0

 

[Floatingaxe]

Given that in your theology, "God's word" = the Bible, can you give chapter and verse citations confirming your (erroneous) belief that the lives of homosexual men and women are (to repeat your claim) full of "Lust, sex, whatever method they choose, lewdness, fornication, adultery in some, and in cases where they claim Christianity--hypocrisy, doubt, heresy, and blasphemy"?

I will, but it's too late--tomorrow.

Wrong; I'm at odds with your belief that God's word = the Bible, but I'm not at odds with God's Word. Far from it, I seek to live my life in accordance with God's Word and His will.

It's impossible to have both of two people diametrically opposed in a moral issue following in accordance to ANYTHING--least of all God's word and will! One is out of step.


I suggest what we have here is one who is binded by the enemy concerning an abomination--seeing it as not an abomination, proving that there are areas of weakness that carry over into his relationship with God--therefore standing out of accordance with Him.

 

[OllieFranz]

I will, but it's too late--tomorrow.





It's impossible to have both of two people diametrically opposed in a moral issue following in accordance to ANYTHING--least of all God's word and will! One is out of step.


I suggest what we have here is one who is binded by the enemy concerning an abomination--seeing it as not an abomination, proving that there are areas of weakness that carry over into his relationship with God--therefore standing out of accordance with Him.

But of course it would never occur to you to consider that possibly, just possibly, you are the one who is blinded, would it?

 

[Ohioprof]

I believe the lifestyle encompasses that and more for many.

You don't know what "lifestyles" gay people have, and yet you presume to judge them.

I would never judge YOUR lifestyle. I don't know anything about it, and I honestly don't care what your lifestyle is. It's not for me to judge.

I do not understand why you presume to comment on the "lifestyles" of gay people when you don't know anything about how we live.

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear David Brider,
The Christian churches have always believed that God's word is the Bible, in fact so do the Jews when it comes to the OT and even the Muslims think its God's word corrupted, gay religion is about the only religion which thinks as your statements.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear David Brider,
The Christian churches have always believed that God's word is the Bible, in fact so do the Jews when it comes to the OT and even the Muslims think its God's word corrupted, gay religion is about the only religion which thinks as your statements.

Gay religion? There is no such thing as "gay religion" as far as I know. Gay people worship in the same churches and synagogues that heterosexuals do. There are few churches and synagogues that are primarily gay, but they do not exclude heterosexuals, and they would more properly be considered intentionally mixed churches.

There are plenty of churches that do not regard the Bible as literally true or inerrant. My own church body, the Unitarian Universalist Association of Churches, does not take a position on the Bible one way or the other. It's up to individuals in our congregations to decide for ourselves what we think of the Bible. Ours is not a gay church body by any means. We are a church body that includes gay people, that supports equality and inclusion and acceptance of gay people as we are, and that supports same-sex marriage and whose churches perform same-sex marriages.

 

[Sam48]

First I think each person is 98% or so hetero and 2 or more % gay, sometime the other way around. But no one is ONLY heterosexual. I know saying this is dangerious.

Second, realising this every person can stuble on someone from the same sex and feel attracted but the TRICK is not to give in and go sin on this. The Lord has been clear it is wrong.

I've been wondering if I was homosexual or hetero and I'd say I'm both... probably way more hetero since in my past I've prefered men. Point is I KNOW the other side and I've CHOSEN to follow Christ and asked forgiveness for my sexual sins, which He had forbidden. Must say I hadn't really met Christ.

Each person can be tempted like me and if you don't know Christ you consider yourself a homosexual: when you do know Christ you have a CHOICE to follow the Lord, your Lord too and obey Him because He knows it all.

 

[Ohioprof]

First I think each person is 98% or so hetero and 2 or more % gay, sometime the other way around. But no one is ONLY heterosexual. I know saying this is dangerious.

Second, realising this every person can stuble on someone from the same sex and feel attracted but the TRICK is not to give in and go sin on this. The Lord has been clear it is wrong.

I've been wondering if I was homosexual or hetero and I'd say I'm both... probably way more hetero since in my past I've prefered men. Point is I KNOW the other side and I've CHOSEN to follow Christ and asked forgiveness for my sexual sins, which He had forbidden. Must say I hadn't really met Christ.

Each person can be tempted like me and if you don't know Christ you consider yourself a homosexual: when you do know Christ you have a CHOICE to follow the Lord, your Lord too and obey Him because He knows it all.

You are free to believe this if you want to, but I certainly do not believe that being attracted to someone of the same sex is a "temptation." I do not believe there is anything wrong with being gay or being in a same-sex relationship. Many gay people follow Jesus. There is no reason to say that only people who are heterosexual, or who choose a heterosexual relationship, can follow Jesus.

 

[Sam48]

You are free to believe this if you want to, but I certainly do not believe that being attracted to someone of the same sex is a "temptation." I do not believe there is anything wrong with being gay or being in a same-sex relationship. Many gay people follow Jesus. There is no reason to say that only people who are heterosexual, or who choose a heterosexual relationship, can follow Jesus.

The bible, Gods WORD says it very clearly that no one should sleep next to the same gender as in the same way you would with your wife/husband.

There's no way around that one. Or you should lie to yourself; of course there a gay~~lesbians who have a relationship without sexual contact.

 

[Ohioprof]

The bible, Gods WORD says it very clearly that no one should sleep next to the same gender as in the same way you would with your wife/husband.

There's no way around that one. Or you should lie to yourself; of course there a gay~~lesbians who have a relationship without sexual contact.

I do not believe the Bible is God's word. So it matters not to me what the Bible says or does not say. Other Christians who do regard the Bible as God's word find the passages that supposedly condemn same-sex relations to be not so clear about this, and to have been interpreted wrongly by many Christians. Since I do not believe the Bible is God's word in the first place, I usually do not get into those arguments about the meaning of the text or its interpretation.