Homosexuality

[savedandhappy1]

Romans 14:11-23
11For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
13Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
16Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

1 Tim 4:4
4For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving

Not food that enters the mouth (Ezek 4:14-15; Acts 10:11-16; Rom 14:1-4; 1 Tim 4:3) but what comes forth (Mt 12:34-37; Eph 4:29; Jas 1:19) renders a person unclean.

Don't you think we canstop using the shell fish to try and disprove the scriptures about homosexuality, when we have so many scriptures that tells us that foods don't make a person unclean/unrighteous? I really think that doing so are just ways to try and cause confusion, which we know the Lord is not the author of.

Our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, who are new in Christ, or weak yet in their faith, and do not know scriptures can be deceived if they don't research this stuff themselves. They see the scriptures or mentioning of the shell fish scriptures, and if they don't know of the NT scriptures they say that makes sense this person must be right about this or that, also.

Trying to discredit NT scriptures because of OT ritual laws, well lets put things in context. An OT ritual law said no shell fish, but the NT plainly shows us the Lord said that what goes in the mouth is not the problem. Lets not throw out stumbling blocks, please.
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[SoldierKG]

an adulterer is one whho has had sex with another's spouse.

A homosexual is a person who has engaged in a sexual relation of the same gender which is sin.

Corinthians 6
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

according to scripture they are lost.

I am glad that you used that scipture, first off it does not say that a homosexual is one who has engaged in the act of homosexuality. Also, in the origional text the word used means sodomite, a homosexual is not necessarily a sodomite. And according to YOU we are all adulterers. If a homosexual is someone who has engaged in the lifestyle, than that means the same ggoes for a heterosexual, so according to you we all have engaged in some sort of sex and I suppose thath by your reasoning no one is a virgin. But of course logical people know otherwise. Please don't allow your disdain for homosexuals cloud you judgement, and reasoning, it's tacky.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

The sacrafice of Jesus was not for those who want to continue in their sin. It was for those who repent.

Luke 13:3,5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Agreed. But, if we base what we believe to be a sin on levitical law, we are implying that we must fulfill the law- something Jesus did for us. So, we must now do one of two things-

Admit that Jesus did not fulfill the law as he said he did, and then throw away all of our polyester clothing and start sacrificing sheep.


or

Admit that Jesus did fulfill the law and alter our view of what is and is not a sin according to the new covenant.
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1Cor 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Isn't Corinthians the writing of Paul to the church at Corinth? Do you have any quotes from Jesus on this subject? I'm pretty sure he kept pretty quiet about gay people. Quite frankly, Paul, who was just a church leader, can have believed anything he'd like. If Jesus didn't say it it doesn't matter to me any more than if you start telling me what Benny Hinn thinks about gay people.

A message of love states what scripture states. The homosexuall has to repent just like any other person who has sin. No repentance no salvation.

So true. So, now we know- homosexuals must repent from their sins. The thing is, they have all the very same sins that you and I have. Provided they are not having sex with multiple partners, they have not ventured away from the teachings of the Lord- in that department anyway.... If you don't believe me, read the red parts of your Bible.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

A homosexual is a person who has engaged in a sexual relation of the same gender which is sin.

According to your super-special dictionary. Clearly the english language holds no meaning for you. It is very hard to have a reasonable conversation with someone who is not being reasonable.

 

[SoldierKG]

So, while a thief is someone who DOES something, a homosexual is someone who WANTS TO DO something. See the difference?

I must disagree, I have homosexual friends, who are attracted to people of teh same sex, but don't necessarily want to have sex with them. In fact they don't even want to be a homosexual. That person is very much a Christian. Which is why I KNOW that savedfromdestruction is wrong in his conclusions about gay people. YOu can't change what one knows.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

I must disagree, I have homosexual friends, who are attracted to people of teh same sex, but don't necessarily want to have sex with them. In fact they don't even want to be a homosexual. That person is very much a Christian. Which is why I KNOW that savedfromdestruction is wrong in his conclusions about gay people. YOu can't change what one knows.

My cousin was in the same place that your friends are in once upon a time. She said it wasn't that she didn't want to, it was that she didn't want to want to. In other words- she was gay because she had the desire but she was trying to change because she didn't want the desire. If the attraction had ever gone away, she would have no longer been a homosexual.

 

[savedandhappy1]

I have read post where people say that after being saved the Lord didn't take away the desire for people of the same sex, so it must not be wrong.

Like Paul who prayered for his thorn of the flesh to be gone, but it wasn't, maybe the same is true for some with same sex desires. Do some of us not totally get rid of some of our desires because it keeps us closer to the Lord? If we are tempted with things that can draw us back into sin, should we not cling to the Lord more? As the scriptures tell us, if we draw near to Him, He will draw near to us.

Anyhow maybe the homosexual desires are to help people draw closer to Him, learning that without Him they can't make it. Maybe the desires are there because of the fact some don't want to admit it is a sin. I know that I have made excuses for doing something that is a sin, and tried to reason out how I didn't have any choice. I have tried to justify things I have done, but if I truely seek the Lord, I have been shown that no excuse or justification makes it anything but what it really is, sin.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

I think there are a few too many maybe's in there for you to base any doctrine on it. Maybe you should trust the Lord that he will do with people what needs to be done and if he sees fit to create a homosexual and then give them the kind of happiness that comes with a loving relationship with another person, even if that person is of the same gender, then that is the right thing... no matter what you or any one else thinks.....

I'm just sayin'. Maybe.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Or maybe we should do what the Word says, and leave the excuses or maybes out of it. Just maybe!!

 

[savedfromdistruction]

I am glad that you used that scipture, first off it does not say that a homosexual is one who has engaged in the act of homosexuality. Also, in the origional text the word used means sodomite, a homosexual is not necessarily a sodomite. And according to YOU we are all adulterers. If a homosexual is someone who has engaged in the lifestyle, than that means the same ggoes for a heterosexual, so according to you we all have engaged in some sort of sex and I suppose thath by your reasoning no one is a virgin. But of course logical people know otherwise. Please don't allow your disdain for homosexuals cloud you judgement, and reasoning, it's tacky.

all homosexual activity is sin according to scripture. There are no exceptions.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

Or maybe we should do what the Word says, and leave the excuses or maybes out of it. Just maybe!!

Right... I believe it was Jesus who said that we should make people who aren't like us feel persecuted and unloved. One of my favorite verses is when he said that people who live in sin should not have equal rights and should be yelled at constantly about hell. And- the way he really put it to that adulterous woman, telling her off and then letting the crowd stone her while he laughed and laughed.... That Jesus. He really knows how to do what the word says....

Praise the Lord!


You're the only Jesus that some will ever see
And you're the only words of life, some will ever read
So let them see in you the One in whom is all they'll ever need....


Imagining for a moment that you are right, you are not the judge. So, stay out of it. Let God do God's work. He doesn't need your help.

 

[mysterychristian]

I am here now to spread the truth about homosexuality. Many people call it a choice, and many condemn gays for their feelings. The Bible is clear that acting upon homosexuality is wrong, but it does not say that simply being a homosexual is wrong. I have recently been involved with conversations with Christians concerning homosexuality and many of them were very unloving in their attitudes......I just thought I'd let people know what I do. If you know a homosexual person than be loving to that person. Chances are that they are homosexual because 1.They did not have a relationship with their father. 2. They are insecure in their sexuality and are experimenting. 3. They were raoed as a child and told it was ok or a "game." 4. They were born that way. 5. etc etc etc. There are many possible reasons for homosexuality, we as Christians have a responsibility to love not condemn, to accept not reject. We have a bad image in the world, Christ would probably be unhappy with most of us (including myself) so let's get better, let's change, let's make the world a better place showing the true love of Christ...using scripture as our foundation we cannot fail.

As a man thinketheth in his heart so is he.... If you can change your thinking, your beliefs, you can change who you are. Being a Homosexual is just the same as acting, except you may not get the consequences of your actions, because the only reason a homosexual does not act is out of fear or rejection, or guilt ect..

There is no new species of man or catagory of man, we have men and women, not men and women and homosexuals.

Homosexuality is in the catagory of the mind, what you hold in your mind to be right or true will eventually come into concretion in the physical senses realm.

Many have these thought as far back as they can remember, true but there is someting else that caused these thoughts rooted in the spiritual realm attacking them with onslaughts of homosexual thoughts.

I could explain what it is but it is very deep and not best to openly discuss on a public forum maybe in private posts, yes, but there is absolutely an answer to these things and many that are affected are at a loss, and are not responsible for it themeselves, just the victims, and have no understanding or way to fight it until they are taught otherwise.

Homosexual's , gays, whatever definately need to be loved and not hated, but the act itself can be spoken out against, not the individual unless one on one counseling is going on and someone wants help to change, which is possible.

The problem is that it's become the norm and accepted in society and once that happens. it florishes because there is no opposition to it, murder would flourish in a greater degree just the same if there were no opposition to it, it could be considered an alternate lifestyle by those who enjoy doing it, that's the key they enjoy doing it, therefore it is a lifestyle to them. But it is not a alternate lifestyle in reality just like murder isn't, both are harmful to society and the way God set physical, and logical laws up. I am not a gay, or homosexual hater, nor do I agree with their actions, I believe strongly that God loves all people no matter what they are into and would love for them to be his sons and daughters, and be blessed in this life, there are just to many broken principles in most homosexuals minds, in their beliveing, most reject God's word on the subject of homosexuality and the plain logic of nature man and woman , which is so obvious in life, and in study of the human body.

No one rises beyond their beliving and you are where your believing has taken you, and you'll be tommorrow where your believing takes you, people can change IF they WANT to, It's available, Most won't but some will, and Many have, and they personnelly will tell you it took great committment to change, great mental discipline, and the power and help of God.

You are loved of God

 

[SoldierKG]

all homosexual activity is sin according to scripture. There are no exceptions.

What Scripture, back yourself up. Show me scripture. If you can't than not only is your argument baseless, you have lied.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Imagining for a moment that you are right, you are not the judge. So, stay out of it. Let God do God's work. He doesn't need your help.

Yeah that is why He told us to go out and preach, because we are to stay out of it. ​

Lets see, He told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more, right?​

Did He say to pass a law that makes what she was doing legal?​

Did He tell her if it feels good it must not be a sin?​

Did He tell her that in the OT times it was a sin, but He was here now so it isn't?​

Did He tell her that when He said that a man would leave his parents, and cleave to a woman, that He meant as many woman as He wanted too?​

Did He tell her that she was born that way, and that since He created her that way she should not worry about?​

So if they don't or won't admit that they are sinning how can we tell them, as He did, to go and sin no more?​

So many questions, and 1 answer. We are to go, we are tell/preach.​

Romans 10:14-17​

14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
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Matt. 28:19-20​

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Gal 1:6-11​

6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

I am not here to please men, but to be the servant of Christ, which told us to go and preach His gospel.

To tell how He has come to save us from our sins, and to give us eternal life. How can they know and except that they need a Saviour, if they don't know what they are being saved from and why?

I have heard many a person say they believe in God, and that they believe that He sent His son(Jesus) to die for our sins. I have heard them say that they believe He was raised from the dead on the 3rd day, and now sits at the right hand of God. I have also heard them use His name as a cuss word, commit fornications and adultery. They have told me how they never read His Word, and they only pray when they need something. I have had them tell me that it isn't their place to tell anyone the gospel, because they could offend the person. So they will just leave it to God, because they wouldn't want to offend anyone.
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Boy am I glad that people cared enough for me to not stay silent. I Praise the Lord daily, that they let the Holy Ghost speak through them to convicted me of my sins.​

Your right God doesn't need our help, but we also weren't told to go sit in the corner and be quiet, now were we?​

 

[SuddenlyISee]

Yeah that is why He told us to go out and preach, because we are to stay out of it.

Lets see, He told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more, right?

Did He say to pass a law that makes what she was doing legal?

Did He tell her if it feels good it must not be a sin?​

Did He tell her that in the OT times it was a sin, but He was here now so it isn't?​

Did He tell her that when He said that a man would leave his parents, and cleave to a woman, that He meant as many woman as He wanted too?​

Did He tell her that she was born that way, and that since He created her that way she should not worry about?​

So if they don't or won't admit that they are sinning how can we tell them, as He did, to go and sin no more?​

This will be my last post in this thread.

We are told to go out and preach the gospel which, according to everything Jesus said and did, is to love your neighbor as yourself and love the lord with all your heart. It is not the Levitical law, it is not the things Paul thought, it is a gospel of love. Jesus also preached the gospel and yet there is not a single instance in the Bible where he is screaming that someone is sinning and talking about eternal damnation.

Jesus sent away the woman's human persecutors and then had a private Christ to woman talk with her. In the scenario of homosexuality being a sin, you would be the persecutor that Jesus sends away so that HE can deal with the sinner. I'm sure you are very proud.

You are making some very common mistakes in your thought process.

1. You are basing everything on the teachings of Paul and OT prophets and not Jesus. We are to strive to be Christ-like and Christ did not behave in the way that you are behaving.

2. You are assuming that "go out and preach the gospel" somehow negates "judge not lest ye be judged." It doesn't. If you remove the ancient texts and Paul's texts and you only read the words of Christ you will see that Jesus is very clear about certain things and fails entirely to mention others. Perhaps while you are out preaching the gospel you too should fail entirely to mention the things that Jesus didn't mention because you ultimately don't know where he stands on it. All you can do is preach the gospel of love and acceptance (remember Jesus dining with prostitutes and tax collectors?) and let Jesus deal with sin. Outside of that you are playing the judge and that is definitely a sin.

3. You are referring to the Bible as the Word of God (capital W). "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Do you think God was sitting there in the beginning with a set of writings compiled and voted on by the Council of Nicea and translated and mistranslated by very fallible men? No. The word of God (lower case W) is a fallible book with stories of the history of the church and the Jewish people and the oh-so-important red words. The Word of God (capital W) is Jesus. If Jesus didn't say it, you shouldn't preach it. Jesus had plenty of time to gripe about gay people but he didn't. He didn't. HE DIDN'T. Yet, you feel the need to make that your job. Just think about that for a minute. Try to push your prejudices and all the things the pastor has told you and just THINK about Jesus' words.


I pray that more Christians would start quoting Jesus instead of Paul and the OT.

I'm deleting my subscription to this thread. It hurts my heart.
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[SoldierKG]

This will be my last post in this thread.​

We are told to go out and preach the gospel which, according to everything Jesus said and did, is to love your neighbor as yourself and love the lord with all your heart. It is not the Levitical law, it is not the things Paul thought, it is a gospel of love. Jesus also preached the gospel and yet there is not a single instance in the Bible where he is screaming that someone is sinning and talking about eternal damnation.​

Jesus sent away the woman's human persecutors and then had a private Christ to woman talk with her. In the scenario of homosexuality being a sin, you would be the persecutor that Jesus sends away so that HE can deal with the sinner. I'm sure you are very proud.​

You are making some very common mistakes in your thought process.​

1. You are basing everything on the teachings of Paul and OT prophets and not Jesus. We are to strive to be Christ-like and Christ did not behave in the way that you are behaving.​

2. You are assuming that "go out and preach the gospel" somehow negates "judge not lest ye be judged." It doesn't. If you remove the ancient texts and Paul's texts and you only read the words of Christ you will see that Jesus is very clear about certain things and fails entirely to mention others. Perhaps while you are out preaching the gospel you too should fail entirely to mention the things that Jesus didn't mention because you ultimately don't know where he stands on it. All you can do is preach the gospel of love and acceptance (remember Jesus dining with prostitutes and tax collectors?) and let Jesus deal with sin. Outside of that you are playing the judge and that is definitely a sin.​

3. You are referring to the Bible as the Word of God (capital W). "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Do you think God was sitting there in the beginning with a set of writings compiled and voted on by the Council of Nicea and translated and mistranslated by very fallible men? No. The word of God (lower case W) is a fallible book with stories of the history of the church and the Jewish people and the oh-so-important red words. The Word of God (capital W) is Jesus. If Jesus didn't say it, you shouldn't preach it. Jesus had plenty of time to gripe about gay people but he didn't. He didn't. HE DIDN'T. Yet, you feel the need to make that your job. Just think about that for a minute. Try to push your prejudices and all the things the pastor has told you and just THINK about Jesus' words.​

I pray that more Christians would start quoting Jesus instead of Paul and the OT.​

I'm deleting my subscription to this thread. It hurts my heart.​

 

[KarrieTex]

This will be my last post in this thread.

We are told to go out and preach the gospel which, according to everything Jesus said and did, is to love your neighbor as yourself and love the lord with all your heart. It is not the Levitical law, it is not the things Paul thought, it is a gospel of love. Jesus also preached the gospel and yet there is not a single instance in the Bible where he is screaming that someone is sinning and talking about eternal damnation.

Jesus sent away the woman's human persecutors and then had a private Christ to woman talk with her. In the scenario of homosexuality being a sin, you would be the persecutor that Jesus sends away so that HE can deal with the sinner. I'm sure you are very proud.

You are making some very common mistakes in your thought process.

1. You are basing everything on the teachings of Paul and OT prophets and not Jesus. We are to strive to be Christ-like and Christ did not behave in the way that you are behaving.

2. You are assuming that "go out and preach the gospel" somehow negates "judge not lest ye be judged." It doesn't. If you remove the ancient texts and Paul's texts and you only read the words of Christ you will see that Jesus is very clear about certain things and fails entirely to mention others. Perhaps while you are out preaching the gospel you too should fail entirely to mention the things that Jesus didn't mention because you ultimately don't know where he stands on it. All you can do is preach the gospel of love and acceptance (remember Jesus dining with prostitutes and tax collectors?) and let Jesus deal with sin. Outside of that you are playing the judge and that is definitely a sin.

3. You are referring to the Bible as the Word of God (capital W). "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Do you think God was sitting there in the beginning with a set of writings compiled and voted on by the Council of Nicea and translated and mistranslated by very fallible men? No. The word of God (lower case W) is a fallible book with stories of the history of the church and the Jewish people and the oh-so-important red words. The Word of God (capital W) is Jesus. If Jesus didn't say it, you shouldn't preach it. Jesus had plenty of time to gripe about gay people but he didn't. He didn't. HE DIDN'T. Yet, you feel the need to make that your job. Just think about that for a minute. Try to push your prejudices and all the things the pastor has told you and just THINK about Jesus' words.


I pray that more Christians would start quoting Jesus instead of Paul and the OT.

I'm deleting my subscription to this thread. It hurts my heart.
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Just to comment on this post.

One...we can not remove what Paul, Peter, Jude, James, Timothy...shall I go on? has said for it is still the Word of God.

Two...we as Christians can judge others who claim Christianity. We judge them by their fruits. Anyone who is continually sinning and in the Church is open to accountability by his fellow Believers. We on the other hand can not judge a non-believer, that is in God's hands.

Three...you need to remind yourself that Jesus' words was throughout the ENTIRE Bible. He spoke through Paul just as much as He spoke on this earth. His words are priceless and all encompasing. They also add weight to the Bible's precepts as the Truth which is the Word of God. Timothy was specifc in his writings that the Bible or Scripture is good for teaching, guidence and rebuking.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Just to comment on this post.

One...we can not remove what Paul, Peter, Jude, James, Timothy...shall I go on? has said for it is still the Word of God. ​

Two...we as Christians can judge others who claim Christianity. We judge them by their fruits. Anyone who is continually sinning and in the Church is open to accountability by his fellow Believers. We on the other hand can not judge a non-believer, that is in God's hands.​

Three...you need to remind yourself that Jesus' words was throughout the ENTIRE Bible. He spoke through Paul just as much as He spoke on this earth. His words are priceless and all encompasing. They also add weight to the Bible's precepts as the Truth which is the Word of God. Timothy was specifc in his writings that the Bible or Scripture is good for teaching, guidence and rebuking.​

Continuing on from the above great post.​

Jesus did speak about homosexuality when He said marriage is between a man and woman, and that the marriage bed is undefiled.​

That would include adultery, fornication, homosexuality, and all sexual sins. So denying what Jesus said and trying to say he only spoke of love would be incorrect.​

He told the story of Lazarus and the rich man, one going to heaven and one going to hell. We need to tell of His love and how He doesn't want anyone to perish, but we must not leave out what will happen if He is not accepted. If a person doesn't know what they need saved from then why would they see the need for a Saviour?​

One thing is true. This subject has been debate on alot of threads, and the same things have been pointed out. I haven't heard anyone who believes that homosexuality is a sin, saying anything except that because of their love for everyone, that they don't want them to perish. Somehow that has been continuely called hate, when all it is, is wanting what God wants. THAT NO ONE PERISH, BUT ALL COME TO CHRIST!!!​

 

[davedjy]

This will be my last post in this thread.

We are told to go out and preach the gospel which, according to everything Jesus said and did, is to love your neighbor as yourself and love the lord with all your heart. It is not the Levitical law, it is not the things Paul thought, it is a gospel of love. Jesus also preached the gospel and yet there is not a single instance in the Bible where he is screaming that someone is sinning and talking about eternal damnation.

Jesus sent away the woman's human persecutors and then had a private Christ to woman talk with her. In the scenario of homosexuality being a sin, you would be the persecutor that Jesus sends away so that HE can deal with the sinner. I'm sure you are very proud.

You are making some very common mistakes in your thought process.

1. You are basing everything on the teachings of Paul and OT prophets and not Jesus. We are to strive to be Christ-like and Christ did not behave in the way that you are behaving.

2. You are assuming that "go out and preach the gospel" somehow negates "judge not lest ye be judged." It doesn't. If you remove the ancient texts and Paul's texts and you only read the words of Christ you will see that Jesus is very clear about certain things and fails entirely to mention others. Perhaps while you are out preaching the gospel you too should fail entirely to mention the things that Jesus didn't mention because you ultimately don't know where he stands on it. All you can do is preach the gospel of love and acceptance (remember Jesus dining with prostitutes and tax collectors?) and let Jesus deal with sin. Outside of that you are playing the judge and that is definitely a sin.

3. You are referring to the Bible as the Word of God (capital W). "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Do you think God was sitting there in the beginning with a set of writings compiled and voted on by the Council of Nicea and translated and mistranslated by very fallible men? No. The word of God (lower case W) is a fallible book with stories of the history of the church and the Jewish people and the oh-so-important red words. The Word of God (capital W) is Jesus. If Jesus didn't say it, you shouldn't preach it. Jesus had plenty of time to gripe about gay people but he didn't. He didn't. HE DIDN'T. Yet, you feel the need to make that your job. Just think about that for a minute. Try to push your prejudices and all the things the pastor has told you and just THINK about Jesus' words.


I pray that more Christians would start quoting Jesus instead of Paul and the OT.

I'm deleting my subscription to this thread. It hurts my heart.
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I agree! I'm also still waiting for the Anti-Gay people to inform all of us what they are supposed to do about it. NONE of the mental health foundations recommend reparative therapy, and say it is damaging. I am still waiting to find out why many don't have that "diseased mind" thing, like all say happens when you do this. As I said before, Paul was speaking something else to the Romans... You want to keep comparing it to alcoholism? well, just remember that 12 step programs ARE recommended by mental health foundations, which furthers my thinking it isn't a disease!

 

[savedandhappy1]

I agree! I'm also still waiting for the Anti-Gay people to inform all of us what they are supposed to do about it.

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost, is and has been the only answer I have seen given. There is no other answer but the Lord, what would you think we would be saying?

I am sorry that so many are angry at people for speaking what they with all their hearts believe is the truth. Yet, I would want to be warned of anything that I was doing that was not what the Lord wanted. I guess not everyone feels that way, but I don't want anyones souled on my hands. The way I understand the Bible, I will be held accountable for those I don't speak the truth to, and so I..................

Anyhow, as I have said, everything has been gone over time and time again, on many threads. Can't think of anything else that should or can be said.

May we all seek and find the path the Lord has for us all.

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