Homosexuality

[SoldierKG]

And how should I have interpretated the post below?​

If looking at a woman and lusting after her is a sin, then isn't the case the same for men looking at men or woman looking at woman? END OF STORY, as you would say, and now back yourself up with scriptures, or be silent. ​

And is lust the only way to look at a woman? Isn't there just plain attraction? Maybe the same goes gays.
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I am wrong that the Lord is the only answer you need?

No you are not. I was saying you were wrong in the area of my disrespect.

 

[savedandhappy1]

And is lust the only way to look at a woman? Isn't there just plain attraction? Maybe the same goes gays.
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No you are not. I was saying you were wrong in the area of my disrespect.

I guess we have different definitions for respect and disrespect.

 

[devoteddeciple]

OK honestly this has got to be one of the easiest answers of all time. to names Soddom And Gamorah sorry if they are misspelled. And that place was destroyed so how in any sort of mindset would anyone think that it is ok. Its not plain and simple you cant argue with the truth.

 

[ScottBot]

OK honestly this has got to be one of the easiest answers of all time. to names Soddom And Gamorah sorry if they are misspelled. And that place was destroyed so how in any sort of mindset would anyone think that it is ok. Its not plain and simple you cant argue with the truth.

The problem is that there are too many people who think that Sodom and Gamorrah were destroyed because of their lack of hospitality.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Sodomy and gonorrhea is what I think of everytimes I see the names of the cities, Sodom and Gomorrah. Which is one reason why I find it amazing that people would think that they were destroyed because of their lack of hospitality?

 

[davedjy]

Sodomy and gonorrhea is what I think of everytimes I see the names of the cities, Sodom and Gomorrah. Which is one reason why I find it amazing that people would think that they were destroyed because of their lack of hospitality?

Eze. 16.49-50:

49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Eze. 16.49-50:

49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

And they committed abomination before me:

Lev 18:22
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.



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[davedjy]

And they committed abomination before me:

Lev 18:22
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.



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You are now quoting a different Book altogether to make that point. Pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness, as well as not helping the poor and needy are the abominations listed. Sodom was full of male rapists and various prostitution as well, how do you know that wouldn't be the true "abomination"? The Jewish people believe it is the repeated economic crimes as the fault for the problem.

 

[savedandhappy1]

You are now quoting a different Book altogether to make that point. Pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness, as well as not helping the poor and needy are the abominations listed. Sodom was full of male rapists and various prostitution as well, how do you know that wouldn't be the true "abomination"? The Jewish people believe it is the repeated economic crimes as the fault for the problem.

Eze. 16.49-50:

49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

See when I read those two verse I see a continuation of the list of iniquities, because verse 50 starts with And they were haughty, and committed. I don't see them as verse 50 talking about what has already been said in verse 49.

Jude 1:7-8

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

We have to take the Bible as a whole, so why wouldn't or couldn't we use different scriptures to show something. Different books of the Bible mention things from other books, right?
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[davedjy]

Eze. 16.49-50:

49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

See when I read those two verse I see a continuation of the list of iniquities, because verse 50 starts with And they were haughty, and committed. I don't see them as verse 50 talking about what has already been said in verse 49.

Jude 1:7-8

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

We have to take the Bible as a whole, so why wouldn't or couldn't we use different scriptures to show something. Different books of the Bible mention things from other books, right?
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Yes, true...but that is said to be associated directly with Genesis 19:1-5...the visitors of Sodom were guilty of wanting to have sexual relations with the angelic visitors. Men and men have the same flesh...it isn't an "other" flesh, it is the same one which derives from the word "hetero", and if you know that is where the term heterosexual comes from (men and women really have different flesh). Here is that thing about "strange" flesh:

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2596

 

[davedjy]

Strange in Jude 1:7-- "Heteros" in Greek:

1) the other, another, other

a) to number

1) to number as opposed to some former person or thing

2) the other of two

b) to quality

1) another: i.e. one not of the same nature, form, class, kind, different

You can technically say that the opposite sex, is strange flesh...and in fact that is exactly how we use it in our modern day language with the term "Heterosexual". Heterosexual = the other sex, another flesh = "strange" flesh.

 

[savedandhappy1]

Yes, true...but that is said to be associated directly with Genesis 19:1-5...the visitors of Sodom were guilty of wanting to have sexual relations with the angelic visitors. Men and men have the same flesh...it isn't an "other" flesh, it is the same one which derives from the word "hetero", and if you know that is where the term heterosexual comes from (men and women really have different flesh). Here is that thing about "strange" flesh:

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2596

I don't believe I used strange flesh as any example of homosexuality.

Jude 1:7-8

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

I see at least 3 sins of the flesh in those two verses. Where would be the possible sins of the flesh in Ezekiel?

Eze. 16.49-50:

49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Please do not that I said possible, sins of the flesh.

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[davedjy]

I don't believe I used strange flesh as any example of homosexuality.

Jude 1:7-8

7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

I see at least 3 sins of the flesh in those two verses. Where would be the possible sins of the flesh in Ezekiel?

Eze. 16.49-50:

49Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
50And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Please do not that I said possible, sins of the flesh.

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Jude is said to be talking about sexual relations w/the Angelic visitors like Genesis, though.

That could very well be the abomination, but it doesn't make the "abomination" known in Ezekiel. Sodom and Gomorrah did many abominations, 2 alone being the Pagan Worship/Idolatry as well as the raping and Prostitution (fornication).

Fornication back then only had 3 literal references-adultery, incest and prostitution.
Figuratively-idolatry and "sex outside of marriage".

 

[Romanseight2005]

Yea, I'm certain. First, I'm not discounting the 'evidence that is in the Bible'- I'm discounting the modern interpretation of it. But secondly, I went about looking at it with reason and prayer and openness, and it comes to be, quite plainly, that homosexual love is not wrong. Furthermore, I find the idea of homosexuality being sinful being completely incompatible with Jesus Christ as I know him through my personal relationship. In addition, I simply would not believe in a God that is so backwards and foolish as to conceive homosexuality as a sin against him. My Lord is not so pathetic as to make up arbitrary and silly laws.

Pardon me if I have misunderstood you here, but what I hear you saying is that you have created your own god.

 

[BillyBobDannyFrank]

I think homosexuality isn't a sin. Homosexuals are born gay, just as we are born straight. There's nothing wrong with being gay. jeebusnation.com has a list of things that make homosexuality okay.

 

[Irenaeus]

This thread has been moved to "Debates About Homosexuality."

Thank you.

 

[UberLutheran]

When people tell me they have "the truth" about something, particularly intangible moral issues — it's usually a clear indication to me that they really don't have "the truth".