Homosexuality

[SoldierKG]

There is no such thing as being a homodexual that does not practice the sin. All homosexuals are in sin. it is possible to stop being one and that is by repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Once that happens the person is no loner a homosexual.
1 Corinthians 6:11

All homosexuality is sin according to the bible. The term gay is a non term. Biblical anyone who is into homosexuality is in sin and scripture teaches that no one in sin will go to heaven.

There is such thing as a homosexual who does not engage in homosexual sex. You are sadly mistaken, I assume you are a heterosexual, does this mean you are always lusting, and having sex? It is not possible to STOP being one, thats like telling a black person to stop being black. Not all homosexuality is considered sin. If it is please give me a verse to prove yourself. Being homosexual is not the sin, the sin is lusting homosexually.

 

[savedfromdistruction]

I understand the common day belief on this matter. Howevcer I am a Christian and hold to the teaching of the bible, not that of man. The bible teaches that we choose our sins. All homosexuals are in sin according to scripture. It offers no exceptions.

According to your Thesis, one who has not engaged in heterosexual sex is not a heterosexual. Think about this reasoning. It would mean that all are asexual with lustful thoughts toward either the opposite or same sex. Look whether you like it or not, there is a segment of the population that during the onset of puberty, found out that no matter how hard they tried, they were attracted to members of the same sex. One can be in denial of this because it may threaten their world view. But the reality "Is what it is" One who is gay, did not make a abitrary decision that they where going to become attracted to same sex. It is usually a long process of struggle, denial and sometimes acceptance. I would suggest that until you walk in anothers shoes, you should refrain from making kneejerk pronouncements in regards to "who" they are.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I understand the common day belief on this matter. Howevcer I am a Christian and hold to the teaching of the bible, not that of man. The bible teaches that we choose our sins. All homosexuals are in sin according to scripture. It offers no exceptions.

Well sure... if you read into scripture meanings that were never intended by the original authors.

 

[ScottBot]

Jude 1:7

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

It appears to be a letter, though, and not God talking. When God spoke on Sodom, he didn't say anything about sexual perversion. There are a lot of sins the Sodomites could have been guilty of. Chances are, they were guilty of many of them. Sexual sin was added to the reason later and soon became the only reason. That seems to be mens motives, though, because when God spoke of Sodom he never said anything about sexual sin. Not that I can find anyway.

If it is accepted as part of the canon of Scripture, then it is divinely ispired and acts with the force as if God Himself spoke it, because He in fact did.

 

[ScottBot]

Well sure... if you read into scripture meanings that were never intended by the original authors.

And just how do you know what was the intent of the original authors? Do you have some special insight the rest of the people since Christ are lacking?

 

[yodafett]

Romans chapter 10 ends after verse 21.

Putting that to the side, though, I don't see how that can be mistranslated. I am only speaking on S&G. If you are talking about the law, that is another conversation. Before I could embark on that conversation, I would need to be able to look up the verse in question.

Sorry, typo. Romans 1:27

 

[ScottBot]

There is such thing as a homosexual who does not engage in homosexual sex. You are sadly mistaken, I assume you are a heterosexual, does this mean you are always lusting, and having sex? It is not possible to STOP being one, thats like telling a black person to stop being black. Not all homosexuality is considered sin. If it is please give me a verse to prove yourself. Being homosexual is not the sin, the sin is lusting homosexually.

Homosexuality in and of itself connotes consumation of same sex attraction.

A chaste person who does not act upon his or her desire isn't really a homosexual, but rather suffers the temptation of same-sex attraction.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

And just how do you know what was the intent of the original authors? Do you have some special insight the rest of the people since Christ are lacking?

Nope, I have the same access to historical cultural context about semi nomadic bronze agedesert dwellers as anyone else, and can see the Levitical injunctions for what they are, rather than direct moral guidance from God, they are guidlines for the effective running and survival of a small subsistence community living before refrigeration.

injunctions against homosexuality are as relevant today as injunctions against eating shellfish

 

[yodafett]

Does that also mean that murdering and coveting are no longer displeasing to God?

 

[ScottBot]

Does that also mean that murdering and coveting are no longer displeasing to God?

Ya, just forget all that nonsense in the OT. If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad, can it?

 

[yodafett]

Roman's 1:27


I don't speek ancient greek first hand, but according to Strong's, greek words used for "men" through the whole verse are

αρρσην and αρσην
male (as stronger for lifting): - male, man.

and the word used for lust was
orexis
excitement of the mind, that is, longing after: - lust.

And the word for another
ἀλλήλων
one another. : - each other, mutual, one another, (the other), (them-, your-) selves, (selves) together

Males longing after other males. How can that be misunderstood?

Romans chapter 10 ends after verse 21.

Putting that to the side, though, I don't see how that can be mistranslated. I am only speaking on S&G. If you are talking about the law, that is another conversation. Before I could embark on that conversation, I would need to be able to look up the verse in question.

Romans 1:26-27 KJV

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

or NIV is that is preferred
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

And NASB, just for comparison
26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

 

[SuddenlyISee]

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

This to me is talking about what is natural to the person. These men abandoned what is natural to them and lusted for the unnatural. I have a gay cousin who tried to make it work with men and I can assure you, that was just as unnatural to her as homosexual sex is to me. She is working out her salvation with fear and trembling, so we all need to trust God that he will show her the correct path. Maybe, he already has. It's not for us to decide.

Jesus spoke of peace and love. If you read the OT and the NT you can easily see the difference in Gods "personality". Why is that, do you think?

Here is my theory: Jesus fulfilled the law. So, what once was a sin (such as wearing clothes made of two different materials and having sex with your wife while she's on her period) is no longer sin. On the flip side, what once was alright (such as stoning disobedient children and the genocide of your enemies) is no longer alright.

Most Christians agree with that when a woman is on trial for stoning her children because God told her to. God would never tell her that, right? But, in fact, God did tell her that within the very Bible that tells you all you need to know about being homosexual.

All that being said, I make room for the possibility of my being wrong. I try to work from the angle that God is much too big for me to understand completely. That is an angle we should all try to work from.

All anyone seems to agree on is that Jesus said we should love one another and love the Lord above all else. That is the greatest commandment according to our Lord. I can assure you, God will deal with us all someday. Remember this: While you are screaming at homosexuals for living in sin, you probably have clothes that are sinful. Pull the plank from your own eye and trust the Lord that he will show others the correct path- even if it's a path that you don't like.

 

[gwdboi]

I don't subscribe to the list of it IS a choice, or it ISN'T a choice as the deciding factor, but yes, I think some people DO choose that live style because of how it's portrayed in the media. It's become the "in" thing now. Just like how, in some twisted hollywood dream, that being oppressed is fashionable.

Oh My GOD! you are clueless. You obviously have never taken a trip to the deep south. Um... being gay is not "in", it's not a choice, trust me. I tried to choose to be heterosexual but, well, it just didn't work.

 

[gwdboi]

Having attraction toward the same gender and not acting upon it isn't necessarily wrong, but IS something that person should try to go to the Lord w/ if possible despite attraction itself not being wrong. A person that just has attractions toward the same gender but has nothing to do w/ that life isn't a homosexual...at least not in my book. A homosexual is someone that acts on those feelings, not actively resists them and such.

Heh, I "actively resisted" for nine years; life was hell, so I finally accepted myself and I've been happy ever since. Acively resisting your sexual orientation is like actively resisting your eye color.

 

[gwdboi]

There is no such thing as being a homodexual that does not practice the sin. All homosexuals are in sin. it is possible to stop being one and that is by repentance towards God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Once that happens the person is no loner a homosexual.
1 Corinthians 6:11

All homosexuality is sin according to the bible. The term gay is a non term. Biblical anyone who is into homosexuality is in sin and scripture teaches that no one in sin will go to heaven.

Then save me a spot next to you in hell. Thanks

 

[gwdboi]

The problem is that the men were OFFERED girls by Lot, his own virgin daughters, and the men did not want them, they wanted the men who were visiting Lot.

Reread the story.

 

[yodafett]

Oh My GOD! you are clueless. You obviously have never taken a trip to the deep south. Um... being gay is not "in", it's not a choice, trust me. I tried to choose to be heterosexual but, well, it just didn't work.

I didn't insult you, and I'd appreciate if you treated me with the same respect.

 

[ScottBot]

Heh, I "actively resisted" for nine years; life was hell, so I finally accepted myself and I've been happy ever since. Acively resisting your sexual orientation is like actively resisting your eye color.

what a load of boloney. We all have tempation to resist. The adultress is not condemned by Christ, but He does tell her to go out and SIN NO MORE. He doesn't forgive her then give her a pass to keep on doing what she was doing.

 

[yodafett]

27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

This to me is talking about what is natural to the person. These men abandoned what is natural to them and lusted for the unnatural.

If it is on a personal basis, and thus relativistic in nature, why would someone be lusting after somethign that is unnatural to them? The very act of lusting would make it "natural" in that perspective, wouldn't it?

Why would verse 26 describe it as shameful (or vile or degrading, depending on translation)?

I'm not trying to hound you, I'm sorry if it seems that way. I too, admit that I don't have all the answers, and that I may find out when I face judgement that I was wrong, and I'm not persecuting anybody. I know I still sin, and that I've a sinful nature. I'm just trying to understand how so many people can think that the lifestyle isn't sinful when (as I understand it), scripture does speak to it.

Your points about S&G are interesting and did raise some questions, thank you for pointing them out.

 

[yodafett]

Heh, I "actively resisted" for nine years; life was hell,

Read Revelations if you think anything on earth is like Hell.

so I finally accepted myself and I've been happy ever since.

Does being happy = being sinless? And suffering = sin?