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artybloke said:Answer to the OP:
No.
Even if it is a sin (which it isn't), if you're a follower of Christ and have accepted His Forgiveness, then it's not going to get in the way.
How many of us can say that we've not committed any sin since becoming a Christian? Christianity is a relationship with the divine, it's not a set of rules (that would be Pharasaism.)
damienl said:It's not a set of rules I agree (since salvation is by faith, not by works), but if somebody claims he is a Christian and still has sex with men/women out of wedlock (and does not see a contradiction between these two), then I'd have doubt about his salvation.
I'm not talking about the gay person who decided to accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and sometimes yields to temptation, but rather those who repeatedly do so and show utter disregard for the word of God.
Bottom-line is : I don't think you can be involved in a homesexual relationship and still be a genuine Christian. If you were so, you would do what God has told you to do, which is not have homosexual sex.
It's not the amount of sin that counts but rather you relationship to it. Are you repentent when you find out you have sinned, or do you turn a blind eye and pretend it's not a sin ?
Maccie said:And who are we to pontificate on whether one person or another is saved?
Who are we to say that someone is, or is not, a genuine Christian.
Just try putting "pride", "proudful" and "arrogant" instead of "Homosexuality", and "homosexual" and "homosexual behaviour" in these posts. And then see where you yourselves stand.
And then shut up!
Attraction and action are two different things.AnomalousSilence said:Whoever said all gays do that? I am talking about a gay person who is committed to one person, lives a life for God, but just couldn't change his attractions.
1 Corinthians 5
I want you to read the the following definition of Repentance by wikipedia...Expel the Immoral Brother!
1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
6Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough? 7Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."
Repentance is the feeling and act in which one recognizes and tries to right a wrong, or gain forgiveness from someone that they wronged. In religious contexts it usually refers to repenting for a sin against God. It always includes an admission of guilt, and also includes at least one of: a solemn promise or resolve not to repeat the offense; an attempt to make restitution for the wrong, or in some way to reverse the harmful effects of the wrong where possible.
In Biblical Hebrew, the idea of repentance is represented by two verbs: שוב shuv (to return) and נחם nicham (to feel sorrow). In the New Testament, the word translated as 'repentance' is the Greek word μετάνοια (metanoia), "after/behind one's mind", which is a compound word of the preposition 'meta' (after, with), and the verb 'noeo' (to perceive, to think, the result of perceiving or observing). In this compound word the preposition combines the two meanings of time and change, which may be denoted by 'after' and 'different'; so that the whole compound means: 'to think differently after'. Metanoia is therefore primarily an after-thought, different from the former thought; a change of mind accompanied by regret and change of conduct, "change of mind and heart", or, "change of consciousness". One of the key descriptions of repentance in the New Testament is the parable of the prodigal son found in the Gospel of Luke 15:11.
Anyone who claims the Bible allows for homosexual sex due to omission of "gay marriage" and/or "committed monogomous relationship" is egaging in heresy
Sam Gamgee said:I believe that all true Christians will go to heaven.
Even the gay ones.
God does not make mistakes, but He allows us to make our own.MapleLeaf said:I believe the same thing.
With the gay Christians in heaven will be
The fat ones
Those who proclaim to live a life of Christianity and loving and forgiveness but do nothing but speak of evil against those who do believe exactly what they believe
It was taught years ago that slaves were not equal to white men, but would none the less still go to heaven; I believe we are all equal in the eyes of God and subsequently we will all go to heaven.
I repeat - God made me gay and if God does not make mistakes, I am not a mistake and am welcome as much in heaven (whatever you believe that is), than any other person or being God created.
I do, however these are the Greatest commandments, not the core of Christianity.holo said:Who here loves God with all their soul, mind and heart, and their neighbour as themselves?
My point was, Paul was speaking of unrepentant sinners.AnomalousSilence said:So the statement about "etc. etc. nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven" is just talking about the majority since the majority won't be Christians or what? It seems awful literal to me.
Actually, I think you don't. You do not actually love God and your neighbour like that. Sometimes, perhaps, but not all the time.Colabomb said:I do, however these are the Greatest commandments, not the core of Christianity.
The Core of Christianity is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The meaning of the word is not entirely clear, most conservative Christians believe Paul is referring to practicing homosexuals (though after a while you think they would get past needing practice and become competant ...AnomalousSilence said:If someone who is gay is a Christian, will they go to Hell? I mean, especially if they've tried and tried and prayed and prayed, and they can't get over it, will they go to Hell? Because in the Bible it says something, something, something, nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven..
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