• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Homosexuality

Status
Not open for further replies.

AureateDawn

Love & Peace
May 2, 2006
3,774
145
34
Knoxville, TN
✟27,273.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Single
If someone who is gay is a Christian, will they go to Hell? I mean, especially if they've tried and tried and prayed and prayed, and they can't get over it, will they go to Hell? Because in the Bible it says something, something, something, nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven.

But then that is contradictory sort of, because the only unpardonable sin is unbelief.
 
Sep 10, 2004
6,609
414
Kansas City area
✟31,271.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Single
AnomalousSilence said:
If someone who is gay is a Christian, will they go to Hell? I mean, especially if they've tried and tried and prayed and prayed, and they can't get over it, will they go to Hell? Because in the Bible it says something, something, something, nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven.

But then that is contradictory sort of, because the only unpardonable sin is unbelief.

The unpardonable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is worse than unbelief.
 
Upvote 0
Sep 10, 2004
6,609
414
Kansas City area
✟31,271.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Single
AnomalousSilence said:
So if I say darn the Holy Spirit, but use the other word, I'm going to Hell? I thought it was unbelief? *boggles*

No. St. John Chrysostom said it this way. If you have no proof of the existence of God, then you are in a sense with an excuse. But, if you have seen the power of the Holy Spirit, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, or some other miracle, and attribute it to evil, you have a big problem.

Basically it boils down to this; the demons know, without a doubt, that God exists, yet they attribute evil to God and reject Him.

That's it in a nutshell.
 
Upvote 0
Sep 10, 2004
6,609
414
Kansas City area
✟31,271.00
Faith
Eastern Orthodox
Marital Status
Single
AnomalousSilence said:
I see. So what about gays if it says that etc. nor homosexuals shall enter the kingdom of heaven?

Niether shall murderers, adulterers and fornicators and most rich people.

"But where shall we go? For you have the words of eternal life"
St. Peter
 
Upvote 0

intricatic

...a dinosaur... or something...
Aug 5, 2005
38,935
697
Ohio
✟65,689.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
People displaying the fruits of the spirit are drawn away from such things. At least, this is my understanding of it. In other words, going out and sleeping with numerous people [either gender] while going to Church and memorizing Bible verses isn't necessarily the same as being moved by the Holy Spirit.
 
Upvote 0

GrimWolf

Active Member
Jun 23, 2006
150
25
Pretoria
✟15,395.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
I hope that the following will help...

Romans 6

Dead to Sin, Alive in Christ
1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7because anyone who has died has been freed from sin.
8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. 14For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

Slaves to Righteousness

15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Whether they will go to hell or not is up to God. Only He can judge people. But we should remember that God will never bring something unto our path that we will be unable to overcome with His love and help. So to me, there is no such thing as "can't get over it".
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kgreg
Upvote 0

Jig

Christ Follower
Oct 3, 2005
4,529
399
Texas
✟23,214.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
AnomalousSilence said:
Whoever said all gays do that? I am talking about a gay person who is committed to one person, lives a life for God, but just couldn't change his attractions.

It is not the 'attraction' to other men that is a sin. Remember, sinful desire is in all of us, it is our very nature. Some people may be more inclined to have the desire to steal more so then others do. However, it is not the desire that is sinful. What is sinful is responding to that desire and actaully commiting it.

Being gay is not a sin, acting on your homosexual desires is however. Something that can be stopped.

The feelings may be strong, but God is stronger.

1 Cor. 10:13
13No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Sinning is fun, if it wasn't we wouldn't have a problem with it, but what is 80 years on in this life compared to "forever" in the next? Be smart, fear God - follow His rules.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kgreg
Upvote 0

artybloke

Well-Known Member
Mar 1, 2004
5,222
456
66
North of England
✟8,017.00
Faith
Christian Seeker
Politics
UK-Labour
Answer to the OP:

No.

Even if it is a sin (which it isn't), if you're a follower of Christ and have accepted His Forgiveness, then it's not going to get in the way.

How many of us can say that we've not committed any sin since becoming a Christian? Christianity is a relationship with the divine, it's not a set of rules (that would be Pharasaism.)
 
  • Like
Reactions: herev
Upvote 0
D

damienl

Guest
artybloke said:
Answer to the OP:

No.

Even if it is a sin (which it isn't), if you're a follower of Christ and have accepted His Forgiveness, then it's not going to get in the way.

How many of us can say that we've not committed any sin since becoming a Christian? Christianity is a relationship with the divine, it's not a set of rules (that would be Pharasaism.)

It's not a set of rules I agree (since salvation is by faith, not by works), but if somebody claims he is a Christian and still has sex with men/women out of wedlock (and does not see a contradiction between these two), then I'd have doubt about his salvation.
I'm not talking about the gay person who decided to accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and sometimes yields to temptation, but rather those who repeatedly do so and show utter disregard for the word of God.

Bottom-line is : I don't think you can be involved in a homesexual relationship and still be a genuine Christian. If you were so, you would do what God has told you to do, which is not have homosexual sex.

It's not the amount of sin that counts but rather you relationship to it. Are you repentent when you find out you have sinned, or do you turn a blind eye and pretend it's not a sin ?
 
Upvote 0

DaveS

Veteran
Jul 23, 2005
1,411
54
35
Swansea, Wales
✟24,486.00
Faith
Anglican
Marital Status
Single
damienl said:
It's not a set of rules I agree (since salvation is by faith, not by works), but if somebody claims he is a Christian and still has sex with men/women out of wedlock (and does not see a contradiction between these two), then I'd have doubt about his salvation.
I'm not talking about the gay person who decided to accept Jesus Christ as his lord and savior and sometimes yields to temptation, but rather those who repeatedly do so and show utter disregard for the word of God.

Bottom-line is : I don't think you can be involved in a homesexual relationship and still be a genuine Christian. If you were so, you would do what God has told you to do, which is not have homosexual sex.

It's not the amount of sin that counts but rather you relationship to it. Are you repentent when you find out you have sinned, or do you turn a blind eye and pretend it's not a sin ?
But did God actually say that homosexuality is wrong?

Just kill that line of argument now as it will invariably lead down the same road that all the other homosexuality has gone down - arguing over greek roots.
 
Upvote 0

Maccie

Well-Known Member
Jul 3, 2004
1,227
114
NW England, UK
✟1,939.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
And who are we to pontificate on whether one person or another is saved?

Who are we to say that someone is, or is not, a genuine Christian.

Just try putting "pride", "proudful" and "arrogant" instead of "Homosexuality", and "homosexual" and "homosexual behaviour" in these posts. And then see where you yourselves stand.

And then shut up!
 
  • Like
Reactions: herev
Upvote 0

Kgreg

Well-Known Member
Nov 1, 2005
1,135
87
54
New York NY
✟1,773.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Jig said:
It is not the 'attraction' to other men that is a sin. Remember, sinful desire is in all of us, it is our very nature. Some people may be more inclined to have the desire to steal more so then others do. However, it is not the desire that is sinful. What is sinful is responding to that desire and actaully commiting it.

Being gay is not a sin, acting on your homosexual desires is however. Something that can be stopped.

The feelings may be strong, but God is stronger.

1 Cor. 10:13
13No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Sinning is fun, if it wasn't we wouldn't have a problem with it, but what is 80 years on in this life compared to "forever" in the next? Be smart, fear God - follow His rules.

Excellent and profound advice!
 
Upvote 0

Kgreg

Well-Known Member
Nov 1, 2005
1,135
87
54
New York NY
✟1,773.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
GrimWolf said:
I hope that the following will help...

Romans 6


Whether they will go to hell or not is up to God. Only He can judge people. But we should remember that God will never bring something unto our path that we will be unable to overcome with His love and help. So to me, there is no such thing as "can't get over it".

As a repentant homosexual, I can say that your words couldn't be more true!

Reps to you!
 
Upvote 0

Kgreg

Well-Known Member
Nov 1, 2005
1,135
87
54
New York NY
✟1,773.00
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Single
Jig said:
It is not the 'attraction' to other men that is a sin. Remember, sinful desire is in all of us, it is our very nature. Some people may be more inclined to have the desire to steal more so then others do. However, it is not the desire that is sinful. What is sinful is responding to that desire and actaully commiting it.

Being gay is not a sin, acting on your homosexual desires is however. Something that can be stopped.

The feelings may be strong, but God is stronger.

1 Cor. 10:13
13No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Sinning is fun, if it wasn't we wouldn't have a problem with it, but what is 80 years on in this life compared to "forever" in the next? Be smart, fear God - follow His rules.

Reps to you, Brother!
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.