Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? (read pg1)

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http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41165481&postcount=939
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[Ohioprof]

Everything you have ever said about God and His word is an insult to Him, and in essence, makes Him out to be a liar.

God considers His children those who have come to His Son for forgiveness of their sins and follow after Him, and obey the scriptures as His word.

You deny the living Christ, and the Holy Scriptures. That makes everything God says a lie to you.

1 John 5:10
All who believe in the Son of God know in their hearts that this testimony is true. Those who don’t believe this are actually calling God a liar because they don’t believe what God has testified about his Son.

God is not a liar. I do not believe the Bible contains the words or the views of God.

Most of what is attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of John was made up later by followers. They are not the words of Jesus. I have no reason to believe or to follow what is written in the Gospel of John.

 

[Floatingaxe]

God is not a liar. I do not believe the Bible contains the words or the views of God.

Most of what is attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of John was made up later by followers. They are not the words of Jesus. I have no reason to believe or to follow what is written in the Gospel of John.

You are calling God a liar, for He says the oposite to you. Are you saying that you know better than God Himself?

Satan himself has that very view.

 

[Ohioprof]

You are calling God a liar, for He says the oposite to you. Are you saying that you know better than God Himself?

Satan himself has that very view.

No, I am saying I know better than YOU how God made me. I am not debating God. I am debating you.

There is no satan, btw.

Have a great weekend.

 

[Floatingaxe]

No, I am saying I know better than YOU how God made me. I am not debating God. I am debating you.

There is no satan, btw.

Have a great weekend.

No. You stand toe-to-toe against your Maker! He did not make you the way you are--YOU did.

You are making Him the liar, because His word speaks against what you hold up as truth. Someone is wrong---and it's not God. It is you.

 

[RMDY]

I do not believe the Bible contains the words or the views of God.

I don't believe you. Here you are, claiming you follow Jesus, and you reject the bible as a source that contains the words and views of God.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I don't believe you. Here you are, claiming you follow Jesus, and you reject the bible as a source that contains the words and views of God.

 

[RMDY]

Ohiprof, I find this kind of talk unacceptable. I find your talk about the resurrection of Jesus unacceptable from one who claims he follows Christ, and I find it even more unacceptable that you believe the bible is not a source to know God and is full of lies. (although you didn't say that the bible is "full of lies," you asserted it in your beliefs that you "do not believe the Bible contains the words or the views of God.")

So that is where we part. You claim to follow Jesus but you fall short in believing in the gospel and believing in the resurrection.

 

[beechy]

You are calling God a liar, for He says the oposite to you. Are you saying that you know better than God Himself?

Satan himself has that very view.

Ohioprof's point is that she doesn't believe the people who wrote the Bible are necessarily accurate in their claim to be accurate. Much like you don't believe all Christians who claim to be Spirit filled.

 

[RMDY]

Ohioprof's point is that she doesn't believe the people who wrote the Bible are necessarily accurate in their claim to be accurate. Much like you don't believe all Christians who claim to be Spirit filled.

Nonetheless, Ohiprof's point is a speculation. She is seeking her own knowledge to understand God and lacks faith in the gospel because she doesn't trust the bible as being acurate.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Ohioprof's point is that she doesn't believe the people who wrote the Bible are necessarily accurate in their claim to be accurate. Much like you don't believe all Christians who claim to be Spirit filled.

That is not even equatable!

Ohioprof OR you have no reason to believe that the people God, inspired with His powerful message, were inaccurate in ANY way.

My God is powerful enough to create this universe. why would He be any less powerful to ensure accuracy of His message to the world?



Not all Christians have had the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but all do have the indwelling Holy Spirit, FYI.

 

[beechy]

OR you have no reason to believe that the people God, inspired with His powerful message, were inaccurate in ANY way.

Of course, if you don't believe that the people who wrote the scriptures were necessarily accurate in their claims, that also includes the claim that their words were God inspired.

My God is powerful enough to create this universe. why would He be any less powerful to ensure accuracy of His message to the world?

Dunno. But I think you of all people recognize that it seems to be misrepresented, misunderstood, misquoted, mistranslated and/or misapplied all the time.

Not all Christians have had the baptism of the Holy Spirit, but all do have the indwelling Holy Spirit, FYI.

Um, ok.

 

[RMDY]

Beechy,
that still does not excuse Ohioprof from the belief that "all are saved" without a literal resurrection----even if he doesn't believe in the english translation of the Scriptures. Even the Unitarian at my work, from what I know at this moment, believes that Jesus is not God but was literally resurrected.

 

[beechy]

Beechy,
that still does not excuse Ohioprof from the belief that "all are saved" without a literal resurrection----even if he doesn't believe in the english translation of the Scriptures. Even the Unitarian at my work, from what I know at this moment, believes that Jesus is not God but was literally resurrected.

Why would it not excuse her, if the basis for such belief comes from scriptures which she believes may be errant?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Of course, if you don't believe that the people who wrote the scriptures were necessarily accurate in their claims, that also includes the claim that their words were God inspired.

Of course. Throw it all out.

Dunno. But I think you of all people recognize that it seems to be misrepresented, misunderstood, misquoted, mistranslated and/or misapplied all the time.

Yes, by people who don't know or walk with God or are interested in the actual Truth, which, by His Spirit is easily discerned by those who love and desire to know Him.

 

[beechy]

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Of course. Throw it all out.





Yes, by people who don't know or walk with God or are interested in the actual Truth, which, by His Spirit is easily discerned by those who love and desire to know Him.

Is contraception a sin?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Is contraception a sin?

For me, no.

 

[beechy]

Yes, by people who don't know or walk with God or are interested in the actual Truth, which, by His Spirit is easily discerned by those who love and desire to know Him.

You said that God is powerful enough to be able to make sure that His message was accurately memorialized. And I responded by observing that His message seems to get butchered all of the time. And you seem to agree. So I don't know where that leaves us ...

 

[RMDY]

Why would it not excuse her, if the basis for such belief comes from scriptures which she believes may be errant?

God is merciful, but then again, the righteous shall live by faith. We are taught that are own righteousness is like filthy rags.

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Habakkuk 2:4​

"Behold, as for the proud one, His soul is not right within him; But the righteous will live by his faith."
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Romans 1:17​

"For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.""

"All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away."
ISiAh 64:6



If Jesus was not literally resurrected, we are still dead in our sins and our righteousness is still like filthy rags.
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[beechy]

God is merciful, but then again, the righteous shall live by faith. We are taught that are own righteousness is like filthy rags.

[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]Habakkuk 2:4[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]"Behold, as for the proud one, His soul is not right within him; But the righteous will live by his faith."[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]Romans 1:17[/FONT]​

[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]"For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.""[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]"All of us have become like one who is unclean, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]we all shrivel up like a leaf, [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]and like the wind our sins sweep us away."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]ISiAh 64:6[/FONT]



[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica]If Jesus was not literally resurrected, we are still dead in our sins and our righteousness is still like filthy rags. [/FONT]

According to the text that Ohioprof believes may be errant.