LOL!
I recall there being a whole series of lightbulb jokes about nearly every denomination. They are terrific, because they capture what is distinct about each one.
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LOL!Since we're telling jokes about our religions. Heres' one for Lutherans.
Joke: How many Lutherans does it take to change a lightbulb?
Punchline: Change???
I have falsely accused no one. I stand by everything I have said. You claim to speak for God, and you speak only your personal beliefs. You claim to know what God wants, and you don't. You claim that God calls same-sex love "sin," and God does not say anything of the kind.
Sin is doing harm to others. By denigrating the love of gay people, you do harm to gay people and to gay families. If you want to rely on the words of Jesus, think about how you are judging gay people. Jesus would never do that.
When you make statements about gay people in general, you are making statements about me, as I am a gay person.
"I have falsely accused no one."
"I stand by everything I have said. You claim to speak for God,"
"and you speak only your personal beliefs. You claim to know what God wants, and you don't."
"You claim that God calls same-sex love "sin," and God does not say anything of the kind."
"Sin is doing harm to others."
"By denigrating the love of gay people, you do harm to gay people and to gay families."
"If you want to rely on the words of Jesus, think about how you are judging gay people. Jesus would never do that."
"When you make statements about gay people in general, you are making statements about me, as I am a gay person."
Ya know it's funny. Most people I have terrible arguments with when we first meet, I later actually become friends with. LOLOh, Zechryphon, I was telling someone in another thread that I like most of the posters here, including many posters with whom I intensely disagree. I thought of you, but I could not remember your name. I include you on that list. I may disagree with you passionately about certain issues, but I like you personally, based on our brief forum interactions.
You believe that you are telling me what God has said. I don't believe that God has said any of this. You are saying it, but God never said it. We have a fundamental disagreement here about the source of what you are saying.You have repeatedly accused me of speaking for God and attributing my own prejudices to God. Both are false claims.
No, I have never claimed that. I have told you repeatedly, and yet here again I will tell you, I am telling you what God has said. That is not the same as speaking for God.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This from a woman who proudly proclaims that her "faith tradition" has no clear concept of who or what God is, yet you claim to know better than Christians what it is our God does and does not approve of. How do you come to these conclusions? It can't be based upon the Bible as you have repeatedly denied that is God's word. So how do you come by this knowledge of God you claim is truth?
We've been over these scriptures repeatedly. Hashing it out once more isn't going to change anybody's mind apparently. Same-sex sex is a sin. Here we go again:
1Co 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Nice redefinition of sin, but it's not true. A sin is the violation of God's law.
No one is denigrating your love. Get off of it. We are limiting our statements to same-sex sexual relations. We're not talking about your romantic feelings for each other.
Yeah, right! Cuz Jesus just came to earth to give everyone a great big hug of fellowship. LOL C'mon tell me another one. I suppose Jesus never rebuked the Pharisees? I suppose He never tossed temple tables, not once but twice! I suppose Jesus never said that He did not come to bring peace, but to bring a sword of division, either.
No, I'm actually making statements about gay people in general, you just can't take them as general statements and have to take them personally so you can feel justified in lashing out at others for "villifying" you, when that is actually not what is happening.
Yeah, me too. But people who care about things, who care about how they live, are usually people I like, whether I agree with them or not. I respect and admire many people who post here because they care about their faith and how they live. They are not just riding along in life; they look inward, and they try to figure out how to life a moral life, a good life. And even when I disagree with them, I admire that.Ya know it's funny. Most people I have terrible arguments with when we first meet, I later actually become friends with. LOL
I know but I'm pretty certain the the Lutefisk jokes are Lutheran specific. LOL In case you don't know what Lutefisk is, here is a brief description of a substance more hellish than brimstone! I blame Lutefisk for global warming. LOLLOL!
I recall there being a whole series of lightbulb jokes about nearly every denomination. They are terrific, because they capture what is distinct about each one.
You believe that you are telling me what God has said. I don't believe that God has said any of this. You are saying it, but God never said it. We have a fundamental disagreement here about the source of what you are saying.
"You believe that you are telling me what God has said. I don't believe that God has said any of this."
"You are saying it, but God never said it."
"We have a fundamental disagreement here about the source of what you are saying."
I have to go now and pick up my daughter and go to the calling hours for my friend who passed away on Monday. This has been such a sad week for us. I will miss my friend so very, very much.
Take care.
*lmao* is that what the ORIGINAL GREEK says?You believe the Bible don't you? Well, the Bible says that practicing homosexuals are living in sin.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, 5 practicing homosexuals, 6 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, 7 and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Timothy 1:8-10 1:8 But we know that the law is good if someone uses it legitimately, 1:9 realizing that law 11 is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 1:10 sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, 12 kidnappers, liars, perjurers in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching.
Ok, then tell us exactly what the original Greek says. Oh and the NET Bible is a very accurate translation of the Greek and Hebrew in the Bible.*lmao* is that what the ORIGINAL GREEK says?
I think not...
Ok, then tell us exactly what the original Greek says. Oh and the NET Bible is a very accurate translation of the Greek and Hebrew in the Bible.
I trust the Bible translation of the word arsenokoites. But then again, I believe the Bible to be infallible.She's referring to the word 'arsenkoites' which is translated into 'homosexual offenders' (kjv) in the corinthians passage. The term arsenkoites is a compound word which is not documented to have been used prior to the writings of paul, so there is some discrepancy in the actual definition of the word. The words separate are arsen and koite and specifically mean 'man' and 'many beds'.
I trust the Bible translation of the word arsenokoites. But then again, I believe the Bible to be infallible.
Regardless of the wording of the translation, it is obvious that the Bible is referring to homsexuality in some form or another. Therefore, homosexuality is wrong and your argument is bunk.my apologies, its the NIV that translates it to homosexual offenders.
heres an example:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (New American Standard Bible)
New American Standard Bible (NASB) Copyright © 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1995
9Or (A)do you not know that the unrighteous will not (B)inherit the kingdom of God? (C)Do not be deceived; (D)neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will (E)inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Darby Translation)
Darby Translation (DARBY) Public Domain
9Do ye not know that unrighteous [persons] shall not inherit [the] kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who make women of themselves, nor who abuse themselves with men,
10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor abusive persons, nor [the] rapacious, shall inherit [the] kingdom of God.
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