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You tell us whether you are .its a simple enough, yes or no question... are we, today, still bound by OT law under the new covenant? yes or no?
No, I'm not.Dear EnemyPartyII
You tell us whether you are .
We arent.. what about you?
no, because we are released from those laws under the new covenant.Dear Ohioprof,
Yes He does.
no, because THOSE would go against the "love each other as I have loved you" bit of the NEW law...Dear EnenyPartyII
So if you we arent under the OT law then we must be able to do incest and bestiality, steal, lie and covet?
Yes?
No obviously not, I totally disagree with you.Obviously, good Christians disagree on this question.
No I disagree as I believe Christians believe the Bible is God’s word and condemns same-sex sex. I have demonstrated that so I think you are making a false assumption.At some point, the debate over whether "homosexuality" is a "sin" becomes pointless, as some Christians say yes, and some Christians say no.
Yes but the most important thing for Christians is how they treat God, if they love God they will treat all people properly.The more important question, I think, is how Christians are to treat gay people.
No I am not bothered about whether being gay is a sin or not, I have shown that God’s word reveals same-sex practice is a sin.I will argue that whether you believe being gay to be a sin or not, or whether you believe same-sex marriages to be sin or not, all Christians should treat gay people with respect and should accept gay people as we are.
Firstly one can’t make Jesus Christ Lord by demanding He changes for us, no, to follow Jesus Christ is to obey Him not He to obey us.In my view, Christians should also welcome gay people into our churches as we are and should not tell gay people we are going to hell for being gay, or try to change gay people magically into heterosexuals. or demand that gay people be celibate.
No, helping the poor, the needy and the persecuted is just what disciples do because they are following Jesus, the significant issues is to tell of the gospel of Jesus Christ.and move on to address the significant moral issues of our time, which include poverty, war, the death penalty, the environment, the mistreatment of laborers around the world, and other significant social issues.
Depends what you mean by ‘being gay’Trying to get gay people to stop being gay is futile and harmful to people, and it's also a waste of our precious time on this earth. We are better off doing good in the world.
Only under the Old Covenant, which, as Christians, we are no longer bound byNo I am not bothered about whether being gay is a sin or not, I have shown that God’s word reveals same-sex practice is a sin.
Uhoh... I can sense aword redefinition coming on...Depends what you mean by ‘being gay’
I have not demanded that Jesus change. I don't have to. Jesus never said anything about same-sex relationships. It's not Jesus who condemns gay people or our love relationships. It is some Christians who do so, primarily out of the anti-gay prejudice they have been taught as children, I think.Dear Ohioprof,
No obviously not, I totally disagree with you.
No I disagree as I believe Christians believe the Bible is God’s word and condemns same-sex sex. I have demonstrated that so I think you are making a false assumption.
Yes but the most important thing for Christians is how they treat God, if they love God they will treat all people properly.
No I am not bothered about whether being gay is a sin or not, I have shown that God’s word reveals same-sex practice is a sin.
Firstly one can’t make Jesus Christ Lord by demanding He changes for us, no, to follow Jesus Christ is to obey Him not He to obey us.
Secondly Christian churches do welcome gay people and its God who says same-sex sex is a sin, the church is merely the body of believers and followers of Jesus Christ according to His Biblical testimony.
No, helping the poor, the needy and the persecuted is just what disciples do because they are following Jesus, the significant issues is to tell of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Depends what you mean by ‘being gay’
So is same-sex sex, see Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, 2 Peter 2 and Jude 1 against the new covenant.no, because THOSE would go against the "love each other as I have loved you" bit of the NEW law...
No under the New Covenant we obey and follow Jesus Christ and love as He loved, if we obey Him and His teaching we love Him and the Father. Your viewpoint doesn’t work as because it depends what you mean by ‘harm others’ If one tells people they can indulge in same-sex sex and that becomes the barrier Jesus NT teaching describes and they end up in hell, that sounds like harm to me. Your idea of harm is different from mine just as your idea of love is, yours is centred on what people feel, mine is centred on Jesus Christ.See? thats how it works, under the NEW covenant, we have to love and respect each other, and do things that won't harm other people... under the OLD covenant, we follow a strict list of irrelevant, archaic legalist dogma without any sort of personal interpretation or accounting of circumstance
where does it say same-sex sex is a sin under the Old Covenant?Only under the Old Covenant, which, as Christians, we are no longer bound by
It depends on what you mean by ‘being gay’Uhoh... I can sense aword redefinition coming on...
Who said one doesn’t have to?I have not demanded that Jesus change. I don't have to.
Yes He did.Jesus never said anything about same-sex relationships.
No its Jesus who teaches God’s purpose is man and woman or celibacy and sex outside marriage is error, not Christians.It's not Jesus who condemns gay people or our love relationships. It is some Christians who do so, primarily out of the anti-gay prejudice they have been taught as children, I think.
Thank you but no I don’t think so, I fall short, it is Jesus Christ who is my righteousness. ..I don’t judge people please do not make personal remarks.You are a good Christian.
Um, thats either a deliberate lie, or a betrayal of really poor Bible study... Jesus never mentions same sex relationships.Quote:
Jesus never said anything about same-sex relationships.
Yes He did.
Dear Ohioprof,
No obviously not, I totally disagree with you.
No I disagree as I believe Christians believe the Bible is Gods word and condemns same-sex sex.
Quote:
Jesus never said anything about same-sex relationships.
Yes He did.
On the contrary it’s a deliberate truth on account of really good Bible Study. Here are the facts again.. Jesus affirms God’s creation purpose as man and woman Genesis 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, and celibacy as the alternative 1 Cor 7, Matt19, and same-sex sex specifically as error, 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, Rom 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1.Um, thats either a deliberate lie, or a betrayal of really poor Bible study...
Please come up with some Bible study to support same-sex sex before criticsing others.
On the contrary as I have pointed out time and time again believing the Bible is God’s word is one of those things that makes a Christian,… and I have demonstrated from the major Christian churches and denominations statements of faith why this is so.Not all Christians believe that the Bible is God's word (as I've pointed out time and again, the belief that the Bible is God's word is in itself a totally unBiblical claim).
Dear David Brider,
On the contrary as I have pointed out time and time again believing the Bible is Gods word is one of those things that makes a Christian, and I have demonstrated from the major Christian churches and denominations statements of faith why this is so.
Can I suggest we agree to differ and if you and some others cease making the claim that not all Christians do this and that, then others of us wont need to make the counter claim
On the contrary it’s a deliberate truth on account of really good Bible Study. Here are the facts again.. Jesus affirms God’s creation purpose as man and woman Genesis 2, Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, and celibacy as the alternative 1 Cor 7, Matt19, and same-sex sex specifically as error, 1 Cor 6, 1 Tim 1, Rom 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1.
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