Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? (read pg1)

[Trashionista]

Yeah, well you must be in Toronto.

AND PROUD OF IT!

Don't be jealous. Not attractive. Envy is also a sin, no?

But honestly, what is so horrible about Toronto? Then again, I doubt you've lived here, so I'll take said comments against Toronto that are likely to follow with a grain of salt.

Yes, the undesirale effect on you has been your tolerance for evil. It's a slipery slope. It's the frog in the cauldron.

Its not "evil". Its two men or two women being a family. What is so unbelievably evil about that?

I am heterosexual, and find men attractive. They find the same sex attractive. Fine.


I'm not sure what the frog-cauldron comment was about. But its late, so I'm not going to bother discussing that.

References to the Dark Ages when confronted by people with Godly viewpoints is typical.

Well, your views are kinda stuck in the Dark Ages.

Which would be fine - except its 2007. Humans have evolved, as has our mores. Should it be ok to own a slave just because it was okay in Ancient Greece?

Living God's way is not an abomination! It's homosexuality that God views as abominable

Your response is typified by this verse so well:

Isaiah 5:20
What sorrow for those who say
that evil is good and good is evil,
that dark is light and light is dark,
that bitter is sweet and sweet is bitter.

But you're not God. As I said, you have your view of what God and Salvation is.

I guess us fringed liberal, evil Torontonians have ours. I think I prefer the latter.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I can't help it - I can't see God as someone who wishes to punish abominations.

But I guess that's where I'll have to disagree with her. I thinks its much more about being a genuinely good person for salvation - I really don't believe it matters if one follows Allah or is homosexual or what have you.

But I'm sure FA will find something to disagree with here so to get back on topic...

It's not about our sense of goodness! What humans consider good changes by the minute. There is no standard for goodness among men, because they are inherently sinful. the only standard for goodness is GOD.

No one is good, nor can anyone ever be good enough for salvation. Salvation is not something you gain by works. It is a free gift, bought for us with a heavy price--the life of the Saviour, the one who died in our place--JESUS.

Romans 3:12
All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.

Isaiah 64:6a
We are all infected and impure with sin.When we display our righteous deeds,they are nothing but filthy rags.


His goodness is what we gain in the eyes of God when He looks at those of us who are accepting of the divine exchange: our sins for Christ's righteousness!

 

[Trashionista]

It's not about our sense of goodness! What humans consider good changes by the minute. There is no standard for goodness among men, because they are inherently sinful. the only standard for goodness is GOD.

No one is good, nor can anyone ever be good enough for salvation. Salvation is not something you gain by works. It is a free gift, bought for us with a heavy price--the life of the Saviour, the one who died in our place--JESUS.

Romans 3:12
All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.

Isaiah 64:6a
We are all infected and impure with sin.When we display our righteous deeds,they are nothing but filthy rags.


His goodness is what we gain in the eyes of God when He looks at those of us who are accepting of the divine exchange: our sins for Christ's righteousness!

Uh-huh.

Keep telling yourself that.

I believe there is something said in not being judgemental as well? What makes you so sure that homosexuality is an abomination? What makes you so sure an Islamic or an Atheist is to be damned to hell?

And I'm sure you'll just post a bunch of cherry-picked verses. So, maybe I just shouldn't ask. You don't actually explain anything - just use ridiculous similies. You may be able to use big words or find a passage in the Bible, but it doesn't make your judgements on the "evils" of society, let alone Toronto, any more relevant, let alone believable.

 

[Floatingaxe]

AND PROUD OF IT!

Don't be jealous. Not attractive. Envy is also a sin, no?

But honestly, what is so horrible about Toronto? Then again, I doubt you've lived here, so I'll take said comments against Toronto that are likely to follow with a grain of salt.

I know Toronto. I live nearby.

Its not "evil". Its two men or two women being a family. What is so unbelievably evil about that?

Yes it is. God says so, and His opinion trumps yours.

I'm not sure what the frog-cauldron comment was about. But its late, so I'm not going to bother discussing that.

Stick a frog in a cauldron of cold water and turn on the fire. As the water warms he doesn't notice when it becomes so hot he finally becomes soup.

Well, your views are kinda stuck in the Dark Ages.

Which would be fine - except its 2007. Humans have evolved, as has our mores. Should it be ok to own a slave just because it was okay in Ancient Greece?

My views are God's, which are timeless. Humans have not evolved. In fact, they are devolving at a rapid pace.
Don't talk about ancient Greece--it is their God-hating ways that continue to influence this society.

But you're not God. As I said, you have your view of what God and Salvation is.

Of course I am not God. I am His child, and as such, I am telling the world about what He has offered to us for salvation: Jesus His very Son.

I guess us fringed liberal, evil Torontonians have ours. I think I prefer the latter.

Fringe liberal? I think you are full-fledged. Preferring another gospel is not an option.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Uh-huh.

Keep telling yourself that.

I believe there is something said in not being judgemental as well? What makes you so sure that homosexuality is an abomination? What makes you so sure an Islamic or an Atheist is to be damned to hell?

The God of the universe tells me that. You also.

And I'm sure you'll just post a bunch of cherry-picked verses. So, maybe I just shouldn't ask. You don't actually explain anything - just use ridiculous similies. You may be able to use big words or find a passage in the Bible, but it doesn't make your judgements on the "evils" of society, let alone Toronto, any more relevant, let alone believable.

Liking that little choice phrase, "cherry pick", eh? Now who's calling what ridiculous?!

Yes, no one can make you believe truth.

So glad you like my ability with the language and finding scripture. Wowed, eh? It makes no difference whether one can string a sentence together or not. What matters is that one knows Jesus Christ as Saviour and is able to express it. I am doing that. Even if you are repelled by the truth, I will never stop.

 

[Trashionista]

I know Toronto. I live nearby.

And living nearby isn't the same as living here. So, I'll take your anti-Toronto attitude with the proverbial grain of salt. Again.

Yes it is. God says so, and His opinion trumps yours.

I don't believe you speak for God, and I don't believe your view of God is correct. So I have nothing to say.

Stick a frog in a cauldron of cold water and turn on the fire. As the water warms he doesn't notice when it becomes so hot he finally becomes soup.

I love soup. I'll stay in this bastion of sin, then.

My views are God's, which are timeless.

See above.

Humans have not evolved. In fact, they are devolving at a rapid pace.

2007>Dark Ages.

Don't talk about ancient Greece--it is their God-hating ways that continue to influence this society.

Again, all talk & no substance.

Of course I am not God. I am His child, and as such, I am telling the world about what He has offered to us for salvation: Jesus His very Son.

Your view of salvation is very limiting & quite exclusionary. Not something to be proud of.

Fringe liberal? I think you are full-fledged. Preferring another gospel is not an option.

Except your views of said gospel are warped.

 

[Trashionista]

The God of the universe tells me that. You also.

I've responded to this.

Liking that little choice phrase, "cherry pick", eh?

Yes, I use that term quite often. I've used that in describing George W. Bush as well. What's your point?

Now who's calling what ridiculous?!

I believe I said I thought your views were ridiculous and off-the wall. Or I implied it? Whichever.

Yes, no one can make you believe truth.

Wrong. No-one can make me believe your truth.

So glad you like my ability with the language and finding scripture. Wowed, eh?

Don't flatter yourself. Impressed that you can use a thesaurus? Perhaps. It doesn't make any of your arguments any more compelling. There has to be some substance there.

It makes no difference whether one can string a sentence together or not. What matters is that one knows Jesus Christ as Saviour and is able to express it. I am doing that. Even if you are repelled by the truth, I will never stop.

I'm repelled by your warped view of the truth. Not truth itself.

 

[LunarPlexus]

Had fun following this debate...Gotta go now.

Everyone take care!!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

And living nearby isn't the same as living here. So, I'll take your anti-Toronto attitude with the proverbial grain of salt. Again.

Objectivity is my forte, living just outside.

I don't believe you speak for God, and I don't believe your view of God is correct. So I have nothing to say.

It's my job as an ambassador of Christ to speak for Him. Of course you have nothing to say.

I love soup. I'll stay in this bastion of sin, then.

Yes, you will if you so choose, but I will defend Christ and His righteousness against you when you continue to try to lead people astray by your heresy.

2007>Dark Ages.

As if!

Again, all talk & no substance.

That's exactly what I say about your views--every time.

Your view of salvation is very limiting & quite exclusionary. Not something to be proud of.

What are you talking about? God calls everone to Himself! If you don't want Him, or an excellent life, or a home in heaven, then by all means, opt out. It is for the world. How is that exclusionary?

Except your views of said gospel are warped.

Prove it. Use scripture to do so. Then I will listen. Otherwise you are guilty of pouring out empty words of just "talk and no substance"---as usual.

 

[Trashionista]

Objectivity is my forte, living just outside.

Yes, well, my parents are still married. Does that mean I truly understand what it means to be married? Uh... no. I'm an outsider.

It's my job as an ambassador of Christ to speak for Him. Of course you have nothing to say.

Because I don't respond to discrimination.

Yes, you will if you so choose, but I will defend Christ and His righteousness against you when you continue to try to lead people astray by your heresy.

I know I'm intelligent, however, I'm not so unbelievably self-absorbed that I feel a need to inspire people on a public forum with my Liberal views. And I highly doubt at the end of a thread, people are inspired by my posts. Do I doubt that some may agree with me? No. But I'm not so blinded that I justify being discriminitory by hiding behind [falsely interpreted] dogma.

As if!

Cher Horowitz?

That's exactly what I say about your views--every time.

That's nice.

What are you talking about? God calls everone to Himself! If you don't want Him, or an excellent life, or a home in heaven, then by all means, opt out. It is for the world. How is that exclusionary?

It is when you suggest being something other than the standard heterosexual & Christian lifestyle.

Why should we be living a lie? Do you honestly believe that's what a compassionate God wants?

Prove it. Use scripture to do so. Then I will listen. Otherwise you are guilty of pouring out empty words of just "talk and no substance"---as usual.

I'm not going to give you that satisfaction. I can't help I live in current times.

 

[Floatingaxe]

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Yes, well, my parents are still married. Does that mean I truly understand what it means to be married? Uh... no. I'm an outsider.

No point. Many things are obvious to the beholder.

Because I don't respond to discrimination.

Men and women of God are supposed to discriminate between truth and lies and between sin and righteousness.

I know I'm intelligent, however, I'm not so unbelievably self-absorbed that I feel a need to inspire people on a public forum with my Liberal views. And I highly doubt at the end of a thread, people are inspired by my posts. Do I doubt that some may agree with me? No. But I'm not so blinded that I justify being discriminitory by hiding behind [falsely interpreted] dogma.

Good.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It is when you suggest being something other than the standard heterosexual & Christian lifestyle.

What do I suggest?

Why should we be living a lie? Do you honestly believe that's what a compassionate God wants?

Why should a person be living outside the standards of the God who made them?

What do you think God's compassion is about? Do you think a just judge would let the man who raped and murdered your child go free becasue He is compassionate? After all, all he did was break a rule.

Prove it. Use scripture to do so. Then I will listen. Otherwise you are guilty of pouring out empty words of just "talk and no substance"---as usual.

I'm not going to give you that satisfaction. I can't help I live in current times.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

I can't help it - I can't see God as someone who wishes to punish abominations.

But I guess that's where I'll have to disagree with her. I thinks its much more about being a genuinely good person for salvation - I really don't believe it matters if one follows Allah or is homosexual or what have you.

But I'm sure FA will find something to disagree with here so to get back on topic...

woops, I misread and thought your denomination icon was catholic, nevermind

 

[Floatingaxe]

woops, I misread and thought your denomination icon was catholic, nevermind

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Hi quirk

I don't believe you speak for God, and I don't believe your view of God is correct. So I have nothing to say.

She's mostly quoting in line with a scriptural backing, so if one doesn't have a biblical basis for their beliefs the argument is pointless.

Your view of salvation is very limiting & quite exclusionary. Not something to be proud of.

According to scripture it is. That is of course if you aren't a universalist

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

But I'm not so blinded that I justify being discriminitory by hiding behind [falsely interpreted] dogma.

are you suggesting that anyone with a differing opinion is? what exactly is dogma outside of the catholic church, anyway?

It is when you suggest being something other than the standard heterosexual & Christian lifestyle.

Why should we be living a lie? Do you honestly believe that's what a compassionate God wants?

God comes first before anything and everything in our lives, at least thats what He wants from us. If someone feels they are serving God by acting out their homosexual attractions, then I'm not stopping them. I might disagree in opinion but (luckily) that hasn't a single bearing on God's judgement.

I'm not going to give you that satisfaction. I can't help I live in current times.

I believe that axe is referring to the degeneration of society by things such as partial birth abortions (or legal abortions in general) and the open door for all types of situational ethics.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

what exactly is dogma outside of the catholic church, anyway?

Believing something you've ben told for no reason other than that it appears to come from a figure of authority, without examining it in any form of objective or scientific manner

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I believe that axe is referring to the degeneration of society by things such as partial birth abortions (or legal abortions in general) and the open door for all types of situational ethics.

Please define what you mean by "degeneration of society" I keep hearing about how society today is so much worse than it used to be, but I don't see anything to consider this a qualitative statement

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Believing something you've ben told for no reason other than that it appears to come from a figure of authority, without examining it in any form of objective or scientific manner

and that applies in this conversation how?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

and that applies in this conversation how?

I'm answering your question about dogma