Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? (read pg1)

[Floatingaxe]

Floatingaxe:

I am very Glad you mentioned God's Reason. I agree with you, that even in that time Given God's Goals for his people that Homosexuality would not have been prudent as he needed his people to multiply and spread accross the various nations. God is certainly Sovereign, I agree with that as well.

There was a time when I wondered why God was not more clear on things, and why the bible is not as definative as many people would like it to be. I thought that there must have been some kind of error on behalf of those that wrote the bible or possibly God himself.

I have come to understand however, there was no error. It is just that God expects much of us, he holds us in enough esteme to expect us to translate his word with compassion, reasoning and love, for these are 3 of his most valued traits, amoung others.

I can tell you that before I bothered to pray and read the bible, I came to understand these things in the same way that you do. I prayed that God would lift this homosexual curse from me. It was his complete unwillingness to do so that helped prove to me his will. I do pray about many things and these days all my prayers are answered, I must believe that I have some favor in God, though I am sure I fall horribly short in many ways. God answers so many of my prayers, I'm certain he would have led me from homosexuality if that was his will. But he has instead tasked me to help be a Christian beacon to other homosexuals out there, to help prove to them that God loves them and made them the way they are.

My man, God doesn't lift curses until one not only repents but also RENOUNCES it.

I can only wish that my comments and observations will have any effect on you, but I believe that God will one day show you any error in your way of thinking. These posts are not to convince ones such as yourself, but only help share God's love with other gay homosexuals. But I do thank you for your comments and giving me something to do this evening. Also your signature is waaay cool

You are welcome. However, my thinking is not erroneous. It is based on my relationship with Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He speaks to me what is true and right and good. Homosexuality is excluded from that list.

 

[Remny]

No, I'm sure some of these problems have popped up all over, but this passage was talking only about the romans. It also says that all this was punnishment inflicted by God for them not believing in God. So it doesn't really follow because there are plenty of gay people that believe in God.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Jet a jockey:

Heh, I must admit I am surprised to hear my views are not more unique, but I guess that is a good thing.

I do not have time right now to find all the reference material, but I will later. I can find evidence that, homosexuality is preseant, strongly in nature amoung mammals. Also I can find evidence that as a species becomes more populated a greater percentage of that species will become homosexual. Finally of course, there is lots of evidence and debate about genetics and homosexuality.

Anyhow, let me know if that's all old news to you, if its not, I'll certainly bother to bring it all up.

It's all old, and it's all found here at Foru.ms threads, and animal proof is not applicable to humankind, another creation of God, separate and higher than animals--so you needn't bother.

 

[Remny]

Floating Axe:

Please believe me when I say that for many years I renounced rebuked, exorcised and did everything else I could think of to get rid of my homosexuality. It wasn't a super fun happy moment in my life to have to deal with.

Even if homosexuality is a sin, it would have been a greater sin for me to be straight and have to lie to everyone I was around about who I am. I see this all the time in older gay men that have been married, trying to do what they think is right, only to let their whole families down. They could not and should not have faught against how God intended them to be. Doing so caused everyone to suffer.

I doubt you have anyone close to you that is homosexual, so it is very hard for you to have any perspective, what you know of gay people you probably see on TV or on the news. One of the ways I've seen God deal with this is very difficult.

I know a rediculously uncanny number of preachers, pastures, and all manner of chaplin with gay children. This is God's way of trying to show these people his will, and it is a very difficult lesson for them. I hope that you can learn his will without as much difficulty.

 

[Remny]

Floating axe:

It says in the bible that if you wish to know God's will, look to his creation. So I think that animals and the like hold some relavence.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

This is a theology DEBATE subforum. It doesn't say anywhere that it is only for christians.

I like coming here because, regardless of all the flame and arrogance on both sides, I get some answers when I have questions. I like hearing other people's opinions.

Its a Christian theology debate subforum. It's not only for christians, but it is for christian theology. I was just curious what your purpose was if you don't even believe in the basis of the debates.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Floating axe:

It says in the bible that if you wish to know God's will, look to his creation. So I think that animals and the like hold some relavence.

Sure, nature does, but what purpose does homosexuality serve in nature?

 

[Remny]

In fact Homosexuality serves some important roles in nature. When various burrowing animals grow overpopulated to their given surroundings, many become homosexual and thus the population levels out and the species is able to survive without everyone starving to death. Gay coupled animals in human and in nature often tend to adopt children, providing care to otherwise orphaned individuals without adding to the population.

Gay people that choose not to adopt, have more time and resource to invest in culture and art. Genetics have linked gay genes to various creative genes. Not to say straight people are uncreative, but gay people without a family to take care of will have a better opportunity to persue these things. More gay people means less of a strain on natural resources. So I think these are all useful in nature and in society.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Floating Axe:

Please believe me when I say that for many years I renounced rebuked, exorcised and did everything else I could think of to get rid of my homosexuality. It wasn't a super fun happy moment in my life to have to deal with.

Even if homosexuality is a sin, it would have been a greater sin for me to be straight and have to lie to everyone I was around about who I am. I see this all the time in older gay men that have been married, trying to do what they think is right, only to let their whole families down. They could not and should not have faught against how God intended them to be. Doing so caused everyone to suffer.

I doubt you have anyone close to you that is homosexual, so it is very hard for you to have any perspective, what you know of gay people you probably see on TV or on the news. One of the ways I've seen God deal with this is very difficult.

I know a rediculously uncanny number of preachers, pastures, and all manner of chaplin with gay children. This is God's way of trying to show these people his will, and it is a very difficult lesson for them. I hope that you can learn his will without as much difficulty.

You can doubt but it would be untrue. I have a nephew who is homosexual and has HIV. I also have a friend who is a homosexual woman.

It matters not that homosexuality is a battle--it IS a battle, but it is meant to win...not to give up on. Jesus is either your healer or He isn't. You either trust Him and obey Him, or you don't.

This is your personal battle, and it does no one any good to reject God's promises and turn your back on Him by teaching that your sin is OK with him because you lack the courage to face it down! I understand that you get tired of the battle, but you are not alone, and you have no right to give up on the fight and turn around 180 degrees and change your tune from acceptance of God's Word to teaching and preaching a denial of it. He rejects that.

 

[Floatingaxe]

In fact Homosexuality serves some important roles in nature. When various burrowing animals grow overpopulated to their given surroundings, many become homosexual and thus the population levels out and the species is able to survive without everyone starving to death. Gay coupled animals in human and in nature often tend to adopt children, providing care to otherwise orphaned individuals without adding to the population.

Gay people that choose not to adopt, have more time and resource to invest in culture and art. Genetics have linked gay genes to various creative genes. Not to say straight people are uncreative, but gay people without a family to take care of will have a better opportunity to persue these things. More gay people means less of a strain on natural resources. So I think these are all useful in nature and in society.

What gay genes? What good are creative genes in gay people if they cannot pass them on? Gay people die off with no heirs.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

In fact Homosexuality serves some important roles in nature. When various burrowing animals grow overpopulated to their given surroundings, many become homosexual and thus the population levels out and the species is able to survive without everyone starving to death. Gay coupled animals in human and in nature often tend to adopt children, providing care to otherwise orphaned individuals without adding to the population.

could you link me to your source for this info? There are plenty of hetero couples who adopt also, btw.

Gay people that choose not to adopt, have more time and resource to invest in culture and art.

These are traits that are attained by anyone who is dedicated to their study, sexual preference plays no role in it.

Genetics have linked gay genes to various creative genes. Not to say straight people are uncreative, but gay people without a family to take care of will have a better opportunity to persue these things. So I think these are all useful in nature and in society.

gay gene? could you link me to the source of this statement also.

More gay people means less of a strain on natural resources.

I've read statements from those on the pro-gay side that say that the population percentage of homosexuals does not fluctuate in any great amount, so with this theory we should see a gradual rise in homosexuals as the population grows.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Sure, nature does, but what purpose does homosexuality serve in nature?

To glorify God.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

What gay genes? What good are creative genes in gay people if they cannot pass them on? Gay people die off with no heirs.

God uses us through our creative genes to glorify him and to edify and challenge society to see things (including God) in a deeper way.

 

[davedjy]

Floating Axe:

Please believe me when I say that for many years I renounced rebuked, exorcised and did everything else I could think of to get rid of my homosexuality. It wasn't a super fun happy moment in my life to have to deal with.

Even if homosexuality is a sin, it would have been a greater sin for me to be straight and have to lie to everyone I was around about who I am. I see this all the time in older gay men that have been married, trying to do what they think is right, only to let their whole families down. They could not and should not have faught against how God intended them to be. Doing so caused everyone to suffer.

I doubt you have anyone close to you that is homosexual, so it is very hard for you to have any perspective, what you know of gay people you probably see on TV or on the news. One of the ways I've seen God deal with this is very difficult.

I know a rediculously uncanny number of preachers, pastures, and all manner of chaplin with gay children. This is God's way of trying to show these people his will, and it is a very difficult lesson for them. I hope that you can learn his will without as much difficulty.

Truth in a post. Let this be a lesson for those who think that one can change their sexual orientation. NOT HAPPENING!

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

To glorify God.

that answer reminded me of a certain rick warren book


I was hoping for an in depth answer, though. What purpose does homosexuality in nature serve?

 

[ChaliceThunder]

that answer reminded me of a certain rick warren book


I was hoping for an in depth answer, though. What purpose does homosexuality in nature serve?

So glorifying God is not a good enough purpose?

Fine for you, bro.

 

[davedjy]

that answer reminded me of a certain rick warren book


I was hoping for an in depth answer, though. What purpose does homosexuality in nature serve?

Diversity.

Why does it need to serve a purpose? What purpose does having different skin colors serve?

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

So glorifying God is not a good enough purpose?

Fine for you, bro.

don't twist my words, all i wanted was a comprehensive answer.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Diversity.

Why does it need to serve a purpose? What purpose does having different skin colors serve?

skin pigment? it's kinda obvious isn't it? It has to do with the body's defense against the sun. Diversity in reproduction methods? It shouldn't even classify as a form of reproduction as it does nothing for that purpose. It just satisfies a carnal desire within the psyche.

 

[Brieuse]

skin pigment? it's kinda obvious isn't it? It has to do with the body's defense against the sun. Diversity in reproduction methods? It shouldn't even classify as a form of reproduction as it does nothing for that purpose. It just satisfies a carnal desire within the psyche.

Well, in a world of over population, you have your answer right there