Homosexuality: Right or Wrong? (read pg1)

Phinehas2 · Oct 22, 2007

Dear brieuse,

And other churches that don't agree with your opinions on other matters? Such as pre-destination, worshipping on sat/sun, baptism etc etc Are they also under you judgment?

We are offerring up Jesus Christ as the truth according to the Biblical testimony, our opinion is that He is the truth the way and the life. Why are your opinions contrary to Him and ours agreeing with Him.
Secondly, the likes of the other red herrings you raise can all be argued for and against from scripture, yet as you know there is no scripture for you to pin your opinion on when it comes to same-sex sex countenance.

We've already proven the mistranslations of those passages.

then write your own bible. All you have done is prove you dont believe what the Bible says or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

AetheriusLamia · Oct 22, 2007

Phinehas, the Bible has been translated many different times.

Your translation condemns homosexuality, while mine does not. Who are you to say your Bible is THE Bible and my Bible is bogus?

Phinehas2 · Oct 22, 2007

Dear AetheriusLamia,

Your translation

Nope As I keep saying I have not made any translations of the Bible and many have been done by groups of scholars. Do you understand?
Of the translations made all condemn same-sex sex in some places, none countenance it, and I believe those translations. As they reflect what the original texts say I am a believer of the Bible translations.

Please show me where your Bible translation does not condemn same-sex sex, particulalry Lev 18:22 & Lev 20:13, 1 Cor 6:9-11, 1 Tim 1:9-11, Romans 1:18-32

Floatingaxe · Oct 22, 2007

Brieuse said:
We've already proven the mistranslations of those passages.

No such proof has been established. What we are dealing with in you is a re-translation based on a contrived agenda of sin and lawlessness. Somehow the sanctioning of God is important, so the homosexual agenda has come about to rewrite the bible.

There is no problem with homosexuals who deny salvation in Christ, but for those who hold to Christ and yet in their lives continue to openly sin, we have a problem.

No way, Jose.

Floatingaxe · Oct 22, 2007

AetheriusLamia said:
Phinehas, the Bible has been translated many different times.

Your translation condemns homosexuality, while mine does not. Who are you to say your Bible is THE Bible and my Bible is bogus?

Translation? Then what you have is a total mistranslation. A rewrite, an ungodly revision. Your bible is obviously bogus. Who is its publisher?

mont974x4 · Oct 22, 2007

Most Bibles today are not retranslations, as is so often thought. They are either direct translations from the original manuscripts and are trustworthy, or they are paraphrases and mistranlsations and not trustworthy.

Personally, I use many different versions and look up the original meanings.

EnemyPartyII · Oct 22, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Translation? Then what you have is a total mistranslation. A rewrite, an ungodly revision. Your bible is obviously bogus. Who is its publisher?

Just like dinosaur skeletons and astronomical paralax are all bogus too!

The evil atheist/evolutionist conspiracy is hunting for souls! Beware their homosexual lifestyle agenda!

EnemyPartyII · Oct 22, 2007

mont974x4 said:
Most Bibles today are not retranslations, as is so often thought. They are either direct translations from the original manuscripts and are trustworthy, or they are paraphrases and mistranlsations and not trustworthy.

Personally, I use many different versions and look up the original meanings.

Except, of course, no such "original manuscripts" still exist.

Floatingaxe · Oct 22, 2007

EnemyPartyII said:
Just like dinosaur skeletons and astronomical paralax are all bogus too!

The evil atheist/evolutionist conspiracy is hunting for souls! Beware their homosexual lifestyle agenda!

Yes, you've got it.

LunarPlexus · Oct 22, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Yes, you've got it.

Dinosaur bones are bogus?!? How do you prove THAT?

Good morning, by the way.

davedjy · Oct 22, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
No such proof has been established. What we are dealing with in you is a re-translation based on a contrived agenda of sin and lawlessness. Somehow the sanctioning of God is important, so the homosexual agenda has come about to rewrite the bible.

There is no problem with homosexuals who deny salvation in Christ, but for those who hold to Christ and yet in their lives continue to openly sin, we have a problem.

No way, Jose.

This in NO WAY refutes the translation of arsenokoitai to mean homosexual. Saying something is "an agenda", is absolutely not a debate point, on that Greek word.

Floatingaxe · Oct 22, 2007

LunarPlexus said:
Dinosaur bones are bogus?!? How do you prove THAT?

Good morning to you, Aussie!

No, I was responding to your last line.

LunarPlexus · Oct 22, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Good morning to you, Aussie!

Oops! Well let's just make it a good morning in advance.

No, I was responding to your last line.

Click to expand...

Oh, you mean the homosexual agenda?
I swear, all the other homosexuals must be keeping this from me! I'm going to demand to see it at the next big meeting!

EnemyPartyII · Oct 22, 2007

LunarPlexus said:
Oops! Well let's just make it a good morning in advance.

Oh, you mean the homosexual agenda?
I swear, all the other homosexuals must be keeping this from me! I'm going to demand to see it at the next big meeting!

we're secretly ploting against you... trust me, the daggers are FABULOUSLY decorated

Jet_A_Jockey · Oct 22, 2007

there's agenda in everything, but i wouldn't necessarily blame all homosexuals, just as one wouldn't blame all heterosexuals for supporting roe v wade.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58096

walloffire · Oct 25, 2007

EnemyPartyII said:
so, in your analogy, homosexuals (as sinners) are blind, and thus insuitable to lead a congregation?

Whom, pray, ARE suitable to lead a congregation? I was under the impression that we are ALL sinners... surely that excludes EVERYONE?

Paul would agree that before a person goes into ministry, they need to repent of the lusts of the flesh and mortify their flesh and seek not their own will. We are to be holy, for God is holy. If someone seeks to go into the ministry, they must REPENT of their sins. Would you want a serial killer leading your congregation? or a person who made their living as a bank robber? in the same way, having a homosexual lead a congregation is ridiculous and ungodly. We all are sinners yes, but we have seen the truth now and no longer walk in darkness. We know from God's word that homosexuality is error, and thus we do not walk in it, but rather walk in the Spirit, and thus are not condemned.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

In the same way you can't have an unrepentant murderer in ministry, (as Paul USED TO be a murderer of Christians, but he repented and sinned no more as God has commanded), you also cannot have a homosexual in ministry who has not repented. Repentance is a cornerstone of Jesus Christ's doctrine, the gospel. In fact it was some of the first words of his ministry when he emerged from the desert. Christianity is not all about tolerance, its about repentance.

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

mat4:17^^^^ the first word out of his mouth was "repent", not "tolerate". turn away from that which is iniquity, which is defined by the law.

walloffire · Oct 25, 2007

LunarPlexus said:
Dinosaur bones are bogus?!? How do you prove THAT?

Good morning, by the way.

God created dinosaurs on the fifth day:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Evening and morning = 24 hours.

LunarPlexus · Oct 25, 2007

walloffire said:
God created dinosaurs on the fifth day:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Evening and morning = 24 hours.

I'm confused...I know dinosaurs existed...?

Or maybe satan just conjured dinosaur bones to trick FloatingAxe...?

Floatingaxe · Oct 25, 2007

LunarPlexus said:
I'm confused...I know dinosaurs existed...?

Or maybe satan just conjured dinosaur bones to trick FloatingAxe...?

Dinosaurs existed and died long before God set up this Creation. Of course there is no proof I can produce, but they certainly didn't exist at the time of man.

There was another creation between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. There was also a war in the heavens. There was also a casting down of Satan to Earth. Much doings!

In fact, I believe all the seed for all the grasses and herbs and greenery on this planet was already in the soil before the Spitrit of God moved upon the face of the deep. Notice how God with a word just brought them forth to life--they were already planted.

IMHO

LunarPlexus · Oct 25, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
In fact, I believe all the seed for all the grasses and herbs and greenery on this planet was already in the soil before the Spitrit of God moved upon the face of the deep. Notice how God with a word just brought them forth to life--they were already planted.

IMHO

I quite like this thinking.

I sometimes think maybe god is part of an even bigger plan than his plan for us.

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