Homosexuality is natural.

[david_x]

Homosexuality is natural. And i am sorry to step on toes but that makes it wrong. Our nature is sin, sin is who we are. Society has lied to us by saying that we should be ourselves. That is not right in any way shape or form. We are to be who God created us to be.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Homosexuality is natural. And i am sorry to step on toes but that makes it wrong. Our nature is sin, sin is who we are. Society has lied to us by saying that we should be ourselves. That is not right in any way shape or form. We are to be who God created us to be.

That depends on your definition of natural.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Excellent point.

But does that mean birth is a sin?

 

[Oscillation]

That depends on your definition of natural.[/QUOTe}

Define natural for us.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Is it natural to have a species that in order to procreate has to go against its own nature (sexual desires) to do so? This is contrary to both intelligent design and evolution.

 

[BAFRIEND]

We are to be who God created us to be.

Well, God creates humans, not defects.

Some people are born without arms and I don't blame God for it.

Some people, due to their natures, become alcoholics, I don't blame God for that, either.

 

[gwdboi]

Homosexuality is natural. And i am sorry to step on toes but that makes it wrong. Our nature is sin, sin is who we are. Society has lied to us by saying that we should be ourselves. That is not right in any way shape or form. We are to be who God created us to be.

I disagree. I believe that our original nature is glory (the glory of God in the outpouring of his creativity upon our creation). I hear many people talk about a "sin nature" I consider sin more like a disease... a disease to which Christ is the cure.

 

[*Starlight*]

Homosexuality is natural. And i am sorry to step on toes but that makes it wrong. Our nature is sin, sin is who we are. Society has lied to us by saying that we should be ourselves. That is not right in any way shape or form. We are to be who God created us to be.

God created us to be ourselves. Anyway, just because something's natural or unnatural doesn't mean that it's right or wrong.

 

[Kirilov]

Is it natural to have a species that in order to procreate has to go against its own nature (sexual desires) to do so? This is contrary to both intelligent design and evolution.

Its not contrary to evolution. Firstly, evolution does not mean that species are now totally honed, and all detrimental/unnecessary traits are gone. Its merely a general trend theory. For example, we still (according to evolutionists) have the remnants of a monkey's tail, which obviously doesn't come in all that handy, plus the appendix, which serves pretty much no function. Secondly, given the laws of Malthusian population explosion ie:

Growing population + Finite amounts of land/food = We're screwed

homosexuality in a proportion of the human race could turn out to be a beneficial trait.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Growing population + Finite amounts of land/food = We're screwed

homosexuality in a proportion of the human race could turn out to be a beneficial trait.

Homosexuality is not a trait. If it is, then why do you suppose God or nature chose to remove any particular person from the gene pool through homosexuality ? Survival of the fittist or does God just give up on a particular individuals heritge ?

 

[Kirilov]

I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.

 

[david_x]

That depends on your definition of natural.

Natural as it what would be our response without the influence of any morals or behavior modification. Basically what an animal would do, what is in our genes.

But does that mean birth is a sin?

No, things that you have no control over are in no one the fault of that person. That and at birth you are in the age of innocence.

Well, God creates humans, not defects.

Some people are born without arms and I don't blame God for it.

Some people, due to their natures, become alcoholics, I don't blame God for that, either.

No one is to blame for what we see as imperfections, missing arms and legs.

People are to blame for their actions. Genetics can not be used as an exscuse. That would show immiturity and ignorence.

God created us to be ourselves. Anyway, just because something's natural or unnatural doesn't mean that it's right or wrong.

That is not true, God created us but he wants us to mimic Christ.

homosexuality in a proportion of the human race could turn out to be a beneficial trait.

Many things seem beneficial but are not. Sex outside marrige, drug abuse, and lies for example.

Homosexuality is not a trait. If it is, then why do you suppose God or nature chose to remove any particular person from the gene pool through homosexuality ? Survival of the fittist or does God just give up on a particular individuals heritge ?

God does not give up on anyone, they give up on him. The person removes themselves from the genepool.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Not all that is natural is sin. And you don't have any control over anything that is natural.

Also, birth is a choice. You choose to have sex. It is in no way "unpreventable".

 

[ReformedChapin]

Not all that is natural is sin. And you don't have any control over anything that is natural.

Also, birth is a choice. You choose to have sex. It is in no way "unpreventable".

That doesn't mean it's the same as homosexuality. And since it is a sin, that pressuposes that it can be stopped.

 

[teen4jesus92]

I disagree. I believe that our original nature is glory (the glory of God in the outpouring of his creativity upon our creation). I hear many people talk about a "sin nature" I consider sin more like a disease... a disease to which Christ is the cure.

Are you saying that people are born "good"? Cause I'd have to disagree with that. (Isaiah 53:6) In Romans we see that phrase, "sinful nature". (Romans 7:18, Romans 8:8, Romans 8:13, etc) But in Galatians, we see our salvation and hope: "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires." ~ Galatians 5:24

...

Many things seem beneficial but are not. Sex outside marrige, drug abuse, and lies for example.
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"'Everything is permissible for me'—but not everything is beneficial..." ~ 1 Corinthians 6:12 and 1 Corinthians 10:23
People can say, "It's all ok", "There's no harm in it", "It doesn't hurt anything/anyone"... But that doesn't make it beneficial and that doesn't make it right.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

That doesn't mean it's the same as homosexuality. And since it is a sin, that pressuposes that it can be stopped.

I never said it was. Ultimately HE said it was. He basically said "well if it's natural it's sin". I was simply proving that that statement is wrong.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I never said it was. Ultimately HE said it was. He basically said "well if it's natural it's sin". I was simply proving that that statement is wrong.

No he didn't, he said that it could be natural and still be a sin. Don't misrepresent what people say.

 

[BAFRIEND]

Quote:
Homosexuality is not a trait. If it is, then why do you suppose God or nature chose to remove any particular person from the gene pool through homosexuality ? Survival of the fittist or does God just give up on a particular individuals heritge ?

david_x:

God does not give up on anyone, they give up on him. The person removes themselves from the genepool.

So, you seem to be admitting that a person who leads a gay lifestyle has given up on God ?

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

No he didn't, he said that it could be natural and still be a sin. Don't misrepresent what people say.

Homosexuality is natural. And i am sorry to step on toes but that makes it wrong.

That is exactly what he said. He never said "Natural doesn't matter." He said "It's natural but that makes it sin." Sounds like your misinterpreting him to make him sound right. It's not working.

 

[*Starlight*]

That is not true, God created us but he wants us to mimic Christ.

That doesn't mean abandoning your individuality. It only means that we should be good towards each other.

People can say, "It's all ok", "There's no harm in it", "It doesn't hurt anything/anyone"... But that doesn't make it beneficial and that doesn't make it right.

Actually, that exactly makes something right, because if something doesn't harm anyone, then there's no reason why it would be in any way wrong.