homosexuality is an abomination

[Icystwolf]

Actually, no, they don't always. Flowers don't go anywhere; they're plants. Birds, fish, and other animals, on the other hand, have a relatively proportional amount of homosexual activity as compares to human beings. You can observe homosexual activity with most species.

Well, theres no such thing as gay orchids....lol.......there are some species, cateseums which have distinct male and female flowers seperated on different timing and flowers.

 

[Icystwolf]

identical twins are not exact, that's why they have different finger prints

Thats true, gene structures within our bodies don't stay constant. Our genes being compied through cell division, is like taking a photo copy of a book image. The more you copy, the less quality you'd get from the original print.

As for chemical imbalances in relation to gene structures. Some genes don't react unless a certain chemical makes it react. Genes for vital organs must always be active.

As for homosexuality, since no one is born gay, I would think that a certain chemical has reacted with a gene during puberty that makes them gay. Like bulling, or drug intake, allegies...whatever. Don't take my word for it, I'm not a science student.
But whatever it is, they were or would have been heterosexuals, so hence they can be heteros.

 

[draper]

IceWolf guy, or whatever...

I could say the same about you. Refer to the list the really intelligent poster with the lnog name posted and then I shall rest my case.

 

[Arikay]

If you are "not a science student" then how can you say No one is born gay?

Thats true, gene structures within our bodies don't stay constant. Our genes being compied through cell division, is like taking a photo copy of a book image. The more you copy, the less quality you'd get from the original print.

As for chemical imbalances in relation to gene structures. Some genes don't react unless a certain chemical makes it react. Genes for vital organs must always be active.

As for homosexuality, since no one is born gay, I would think that a certain chemical has reacted with a gene during puberty that makes them gay. Like bulling, or drug intake, allegies...whatever. Don't take my word for it, I'm not a science student.
But whatever it is, they were or would have been heterosexuals, so hence they can be heteros.

 

[draper]

Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) of Topeka, KS. See: http://www.godhates****.com[/quote]

Please PM me that link or something, it's censored...pfft.

 

[Arikay]

Take a guess, it can mean a bundle of sticks or a Cigerette.

From that site, their "manifesto":
"We are a TULIP Baptist Church!
We believe -- and vigorously preach -- the 5 Points of Calvinism!
Anyone preaching otherwise is a Hell-bound false prophet, a messenger of Satan, to whom we say, Anathema Maranatha! and, Let him be accursed of God!
To every lover of Arminian lies -- believing and preaching that God loves every individual of mankind -- we say, You are going to Hell! Period! End of discussion! God's decree sending you to Hell is irreversible! Hypocrites! How can ye escape the damnation of Hell?!"

(Yes I purposly put the quote in purple, )

welcome to learning how Not to be a christian.

At first I thought It was a parody site, and looked around and it seems to be real.

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Please PM me that link or something, it's censored...pfft.

 

[draper]

Take a guess, it can mean a bundle of sticks or a Cigerette.

From that site, their "manifesto":
"We are a TULIP Baptist Church!
We believe -- and vigorously preach -- the 5 Points of Calvinism!
Anyone preaching otherwise is a Hell-bound false prophet, a messenger of Satan, to whom we say, Anathema Maranatha! and, Let him be accursed of God!
To every lover of Arminian lies -- believing and preaching that God loves every individual of mankind -- we say, You are going to Hell! Period! End of discussion! God's decree sending you to Hell is irreversible! Hypocrites! How can ye escape the damnation of Hell?!"

(Yes I purposly put the quote in purple, )

welcome to learning how Not to be a christian.

At first I thought It was a parody site, and looked around and it seems to be real.

umm, i tried the C and D words, help...lol.

 

[Arikay]

Hmm, a lesson in Google searching.

You can always take a part of the manifesto and put it into google (www.google.com) with quotes around it, like:

"Anyone preaching otherwise is a Hell-bound false prophet"

and it should get you the page with the manifesto.

But anyways, its sgaf backwards. (I figure thats a better way to get around the sensor than sticking a bunch of dashes inbetween the letters. )

umm, i tried the C and D words, help...lol.

 

[Philosoft]

Bending the ideas again. Oh boy here we go again. A person who was practising homosexuality for 10yrs with a partner...then degaied. Now has a family with his own genes, and a wife.

Just how many of these people do you think there are?

Thanks for telling us that, which therefore proves that no one is born gay.

I suppose no one is born 7lb 15oz because there's no single gene that codes for body weight either.

Chemical levels of the attraction of sex happen during puberty. So they become gay when they're in their teens.

Large-scale brain development, and chemical alterations thereof, begins in the womb and continues through early childhood. The onset of puberty is of precisely zero assistance in understanding when a particular development occurred.

And also, becareful with gene sequences....actually I find this a bit humerous. It's not the sequence of the gene that makes the differnce of each human being, but it's whats contained in the gene that makes the differences.

When I say "gene sequences," I'm talking about the presence of multiple genes that cause some phenotypic change. Polygenetic traits, if you will.

Technically, our genes are different to a chimpanzee's genes by the matter of sequence and slightly on information within it.

Well, really only a handful of our genes differ from a chimp's in function and location.

Upon that theres no such thing as being born gay,

Can I ask you to stop assuming your conclusion? It's an annoying and fruitless activity.

then yes, I believe the argument that homosexuals are really heterosexuals is proven by the point above.

I have obviously missed where you have "proven" anything.

Wrong interpertation. All rules can be changed, nothing is impossible to do.

Really, what is the point of this? Can you show me a married bachelor?

 

[draper]

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT IT NOT BEING POSSIBLE TO BECOME STRAIGHT IF BORN GAY!?

My God!

Could YOU, the straight person, become gay if you really wanted to? No! You could engage in gay acts but it would feel dirty and abnormal and uncomfortable!

Welcome to a gay person's world!

One of you homophobes quote that and reply because I's asked this many times and I do not think I have ever gotten a direct answer!

 

[Arikay]

To wander back to that fun site (.godhatesf***) for a second,

Anyone find it ironic (and slightly fun) that if mainstream christianity is correct, and Homosexual christians will end up in hell, that they will meet these people there as well. Im sure they will be regretting all that Gay bashing done on that site when they get to meet a majority of the gays in the world.

Hmm, Just deserts.

Ok, back to the normal thread.

 

[Kyubi-no-Youko]

Arikay: lol, well, if we (meaning homosexuals) do all end up in Hell-at least we'll be together ^^ Like a club!

Ok...now...back to your regularly schedualed thread...

 

[Firscherscherling]

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Please PM me that link or something, it's censored...pfft.

The operative word is f-a-g-s

Added: Opps, Sorry hadn't seen the other 'clues' offered before I posted this direct answer. And, for anyone who is offended, I meant cigarrette...

 

[Icystwolf]

If you are "not a science student" then how can you say No one is born gay?

Without science, then I wouldn't be doing engineering. Science is a core for engineering, and theres electives that I as a telecom engineer student do....have you ever considered that? I wonder where you are, clearly not on earth I suppose?

And yes I have done study on genetics, not that it's any useful in my career, but it's a personal interest.

 

[Icystwolf]

Just how many of these people do you think there are?

I've answered in the previous posts, of how much that degaid person knows. And I can't give you a number, again I see through that trap of yours, if I give you a number, you'd say I have no statistical proof backing my statistics. If I don't give you an answer, you'd say I have no idea and hence the other statistics are true.
In light of that, this is my answer...the truth is out there, but no one is willing to count it properley, rather count the results they only want to hear.

I suppose no one is born 7lb 15oz because there's no single gene that codes for body weight either.

That dosen't fit into any arguments of homosexuality, mainly because it's a chemical or genetic reaction that gives a distinctive characteristic of mental disability, of them to be unable to co-incide with a female.

Large-scale brain development, and chemical alterations thereof, begins in the womb and continues through early childhood. The onset of puberty is of precisely zero assistance in understanding when a particular development occurred.

Gibberish Gibberish Gibberish, if you copied that from a website, give us the full report, not just part of it. Have no idea what you talking about there, I can see some relations to the arguments presented, but again have no idea unless I see the full picture.

When I say "gene sequences," I'm talking about the presence of multiple genes that cause some phenotypic change. Polygenetic traits, if you will.

And hence the homosexual genes and chemical influences is a genetic trait of self-destruction, and hence we should leave them as they are until all the gay genes of the gene pull are eventually wiped out?

Which is something I personally won't comment on, but I'd rather see humans procreating rather than destroying.

Well, really only a handful of our genes differ from a chimp's in function and location.

Exactly, hence if people used genetics to prove homosexuality, then it's seriously BS. It's not just genes but also chemical reactions...but more importantly, no one is born gay.

Can I ask you to stop assuming your conclusion? It's an annoying and fruitless activity.

Well, no because my conclusions are my opinions. And my opinion is that homosexuality is a choice. My justification is explained in these posts, and so far the challenges I've had in the previous arguments, where people argue whether it was right to change, whilst I was arguing that homosexuality is a choice. I've seen it happen and thats what I'm basing it on.
Unless the whole forum places this gay person, lower than the other gay people of this society, in his right to talk of his experience, then I think this argument is flawed and swayed into biasing.

Christianity cannot accept homosexuality as a lifestyle choice, because it's plain sinful.

I have obviously missed where you have "proven" anything.

Same can be said for you as well.

This forum from what I can see, isn't about changing people. There is no doubt that everyone else is trying very hard to change my opinion, but it's not working because it's just not credible.

Really, what is the point of this? Can you show me a married bachelor?

Bending the rules of understanding of what's unknown. Not definitions...

geez, I'm finding it harder every year to convey my correct message out to people without themselves manifesting some crazy interpertation.

I should laugh at them from now on, does give me a bit of relief.

 

[Icystwolf]

Arikay: lol, well, if we (meaning homosexuals) do all end up in Hell-at least we'll be together ^^ Like a club!

Ok...now...back to your regularly schedualed thread...

Keep wishing on your theories!
good luck

 

[Mom4Christ]

Animals engage in a lot of behavior that we as humans do not accept. Of course we don't eat our children as animals do, save for a few sick cannibals out there. Murder is the rule in the animals, not the exception. We detest murderers as humans. So just because animals practice something-such as homosexuality-doesn't mean that we should as well. Also, our genes are not so close to an animal that we can perform scientific studies on them, and then say that the results apply also to humans.

 

[Nathan David]

But murder causes harm to others. Homosexual behavior does not.

 

[Mom4Christ]

No. It harms themselves. Sin will always hurt, whether it is physically or not.

And let me add that although I was raised in a Christian household, I didn't become Christian until my mid-teens. I believe homosexuality is wrong not just for religious reasons. It only makes sense...mens and womens bodies were designed in a special way to fit together, kind of like a puzzle. God designed us to fit His perfect will. Men and women literally "go together" and allow us to continue the human race.

 

[Firscherscherling]

Can you explain how two people loving each other harms them exactly?