homosexuality is an abomination

[Icystwolf]

Clearly you don't understand how it feels to be gay. I don't copletely understand either, but I am hetero (not hectro) and I know that I cannot and would never find men attractive. If I were bisexual, I could and would find them attractive. A purely gay man can no sooner train himself to find women sexually attractive than he could train himself to find a dead fish sexually attractive. If you feel you could choose one way or the other, then again I tell you that you are bisexual. A bisexual person can make a choice to have sex exclusively with one gender or the other. They cannot train themselves to find one sex or the other unattractive, but they can choose not to have sex.

As far as degay goes I will try to illustrate my perspective with thei rediculous analogy:

You have a blood disorder and I think you are defiling God's temple by not choosing to get rid of the disorder. You need to change yourself to not have it anymore. It's called deanemeizing yourself. Can we agree on deanemeizing as the word for what you need to do?

Firstly, give me a word that would describe a process or treatment of a gay to hectro....
otherwise, I'm sticking to degay. I don't want to use the word straight either I think thats even more offensive.

And as for empathy, yes I do know. It's tough, I know, but they just have to do it because it's possible to become a hectro.
Changing from a gay person to a hectro is very different from myself compensating naturally of my disease, but the process is similar and it is possible to degay(apologies until someone suggests a better word).

If you talk about changing one's character, I've been through that. I've been through getting out of my head cannibalism as well as a lust to kill. I got these out of my head during highschool from councilling. These things were in my head since I was a kid.

So please, don't think I know nothing about homosexuality thoughts. If things in this world remain permanent, then we don't need scienctists or engineers do we?

 

[Nathan David]

But obesity is harmful to one's health. A blood disorder left untreated could be harmful or fatal. Homosexuality harms no one. Why should someone change a behavior if it's not causing any harm?

 

[draper]

Umm, no, a gay person cannot get rid of their homosexuality....

If you wanted to, as a straight person, become gay, to do you think you could do it?

No.

Which, like Firscherscherling has ponited out, defies logic in the first place that God would make something in his image that is contrary to what he wants.

 

[Icystwolf]

But obesity is harmful to one's health. A blood disorder left untreated could be harmful or fatal. Homosexuality harms no one. Why should someone change a behavior if it's not causing any harm?

Well it is causing harm if the gay couple wanted Children of their own doings and genes.

My blood disorder is in intermediate form, so it's not fatal, just harmful in the fact that I have less endurance.

 

[Arikay]

How does that cause harm?

Well it is causing harm if the gay couple wanted Children of their own doings and genes.

 

[Icystwolf]

Umm, no, a gay person cannot get rid of their homosexuality....

If you wanted to, as a straight person, become gay, to do you think you could do it?

No.

Which, like Firscherscherling has ponited out, defies logic in the first place that God would make something in his image that is contrary to what he wants.

You're going to have to tell me what it means "in his image". God is perfect in everyway, but we're not.

How would you know if God just had this platform for humans to live and die, as being just some gold tested and purfied in fire?
Which hence made us no as perfect as he is, and thus proves God is perfect by creating something not perfect?

 

[Icystwolf]

How does that cause harm?

Mental anguish?

 

[Arikay]

IC.

so you are suggesting that the ability not to have kids, something they should have realized from the start, and the need to have to adopt one of the many kids out there and give them a good loving home that they might not of had before, will cause Mental anguish to a gay person of the equivilent magnitude of a blood disorder?

Mental anguish?

 

[Icystwolf]

IC.

so you are suggesting that the ability not to have kids, something they should have realized from the start, and the need to have to adopt one of the many kids out there and give them a good loving home that they might not of had before, will cause Mental anguish to a gay person of the equivilent magnitude of a blood disorder?

huh huh huh?
I never mentioned anything about adoption, what has adoption got to do with what I'm saying?

What I'm saying is, if the gay couples wanted children of their own gene or their own children, then it's going to be really difficult and that causes mental pain because it's a problem. Because it's just not possible...well, maybe in 4yrs time I'll eat my own words on this, but using todays technology, a gay couple cannot have children of their own genes without half of it being foreign. Esspecially gay men. For lesbians, it might be possible but it's really expensive.

Mental anguish has it's levels, just like blood disorder. There are different levels of it...so you'll need to refer which level you comparing it to, to decide which has the greater magnitude

 

[Mom4Christ]

Homosexuality is a choice. I have found other women to be beautiful, but never wanted to be with them. That is just wrong. If everyone was gay, how would we, humankind, survive? It is COMPLETELY UNNATURAL. No one is born gay. That simply allows gays to feel better...like they have no choice. They make excuses for themselves. Men are meant to be with women. God designed us that way. I don't believe in sex ONLY for procreation, so don't get me wrong. Have all the fun you want with your opposite-sex husband or wife. But same-sex partners? That is completely against God's will.

 

[Icystwolf]

Look ok, this is getting out of hand.

My point in here is saying....

Someone who is gay can change to be hectro!

It's not impossible, just hard!

 

[Icystwolf]

Homosexuality is a choice. I have found other women to be beautiful, but never wanted to be with them. That is just wrong. If everyone was gay, how would we, humankind, survive? It is COMPLETELY UNNATURAL. No one is born gay. That simply allows gays to feel better...like they have no choice. They make excuses for themselves. Men are meant to be with women. God designed us that way. I don't believe in sex ONLY for procreation, so don't get me wrong. Have all the fun you want with your opposite-sex husband or wife. But same-sex partners? That is completely against God's will.

Whether or not a person is born gay or not, theres still a choice. Whether you like to suffer or not, you have a choice. I've proven that, genes don't matter that much...but it's swaded on whether it's right to change or not.

Surely some organs are meant to be use with another organ, rather than a different area ....surely this isn't obvious for some to realise it's highly unnatural?

The whole point is, in a Christians perspective, a gay can degay. If gays want to be Christians, then they need to degay. Otherwise just hack it!

 

[Arikay]

Yep, you never mentioned it, but I did.

Because another way to get a child would be to adopt one. I do not see much mental anquish coming from the ability to adopt a child and give them a better life. Thus it is one way to partially fix the problem.

Another solution is to either go to a sperm bank or find a women who is similiar to that persons partner and use artificial insemination.

Its an interesting argument, but one that I doubt exists much in reality and one that is not too harmfull anyway.

If this is the most harmfull thing being gay is about, its not dangerous at all.

Then again, there is always the common argument I hear. Gays have a higher suicide rate (hmm, I wonder why) if they would only become normal, they would stop endangering themselves.

Its got to be one of my favorite, since many people who say it, are often one of the indirrect causes of that high suicide rate.

huh huh huh?
I never mentioned anything about adoption, what has adoption got to do with what I'm saying?

What I'm saying is, if the gay couples wanted children of their own gene or their own children, then it's going to be really difficult and that causes mental pain because it's a problem. Because it's just not possible...well, maybe in 4yrs time I'll eat my own words on this, but using todays technology, a gay couple cannot have children of their own genes without half of it being foreign. Esspecially gay men. For lesbians, it might be possible but it's really expensive.

Mental anguish has it's levels, just like blood disorder. There are different levels of it...so you'll need to refer which level you comparing it to, to decide which has the greater magnitude

 

[Arikay]

One thing to becarefull with "degaying" is that many people who are "degayed" often arent "fixed" they are just repressing it. And repression can be a dangerous thing, leading to many problems in ones life.

Whether or not a person is born gay or not, theres still a choice. Whether you like to suffer or not, you have a choice. I've proven that, genes don't matter that much...but it's swaded on whether it's right to change or not.

Surely some organs are meant to be use with another organ, rather than a different area ....surely this isn't obvious for some to realise it's highly unnatural?

The whole point is, in a Christians perspective, a gay can degay. If gays want to be Christians, then they need to degay. Otherwise just hack it!

 

[Icystwolf]

Yep, you never mentioned it, but I did.

Because another way to get a child would be to adopt one. I do not see much mental anquish coming from the ability to adopt a child and give them a better life. Thus it is one way to partially fix the problem.

Another solution is to either go to a sperm bank or find a women who is similiar to that persons partner and use artificial insemination.

Its an interesting argument, but one that I doubt exists much in reality and one that is not too harmfull anyway.

If this is the most harmfull thing being gay is about, its not dangerous at all.

Then again, there is always the common argument I hear. Gays have a higher suicide rate (hmm, I wonder why) if they would only become normal, they would stop endangering themselves.

Its got to be one of my favorite, since many people who say it, are often one of the indirrect causes of that high suicide rate.

But adoption is not my point. Most people would like to have children of their own genes. The mental anguish arises when they can't have that...not when they have children that are not theres.

And I highly refute you on the suicide rates for homosexual people. Take a closer look again, unless you're biasing on just one state, then you have clearly mis-read the suicide rates.

In Australia, we have teens which amounts up to 70% of Australia's suicide rate. Which is around 20% of people suicide in the world, of teen depression.
Homosexuality from the last time I saw it, was around 4-6%.

Get your facts straight, theres no way it could have jumped up to 21%, when theres a general acceptance of homosexuals.

 

[ACougar]

Whatever 2 or more consenting adults wanna do in the privacy of thier own homes is no bussiness of the government. If a member of your religious group is violating the tenants of your religion then you simply deal with that internally. Imagine if Muslims saught to impose thier morality on CHristians via the government. Perhaps you believe that whatever religion is in the majority should have the right to impose thier morals on the minority. If that's the case then we'll just have to agree that we disagree. If on the other hand you believe in treating others as you would want to be treated, you have no choice but to allow each person to make thier own decisions regarding what's moral and acceptable behavior.

 

[Icystwolf]

One thing to becarefull with "degaying" is that many people who are "degayed" often arent "fixed" they are just repressing it. And repression can be a dangerous thing, leading to many problems in ones life.

Duh!
I'm not fixed for life either, thats why I keep exercising and eat the right food. So I won't sucomb back to my old past

 

[wblastyn]

You're going to have to tell me what it means "in his image". God is perfect in everyway, but we're not.

It means we represent God like an ambassador would represent a king. I believe God chose us out of the animal kingdom to represent Him.

 

[wblastyn]

The Bible never mentions homosexual feelings, it is always the act of having sex with the same gender, therefore someone being born gay is not a problem, but acting on them might be (I'm not entirely sure anymore, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of sexual perversion, the men tried to rape angels, and paul could be refering to temple worship in Romans).

 

[wblastyn]

Someone who is gay can change to be hectro!

Don't you think if that were true than a lot of people would change to get annoying Christian off their back.

Oh and it's hetero, not hectro.