Homosexuality - Here's how I look at it

[EnemyPartyII]

There is a BIG difference between semi-literate "God fearing, well read, people" slave owners trying to justify their own selfish interests and Bible scholars, who did not own slaves, with no vested interest, with knowledge of the Biblical languages, and Bible history. Are you aware of that? How does that affect your argument?

So... are you suggesting that NO Bible scholar has ever owned slaves?

 

[DZoolander]

There is a BIG difference between semi-literate "God fearing, well read, people" slave owners trying to justify their own selfish interests and Bible scholars, who did not own slaves, with no vested interest, with knowledge of the Biblical languages, and Bible history. Are you aware of that? How does that affect your argument?

Kind of like people who selfishly pick and choose how literally to interpret one passage, but not another, based upon how they want to feel about it?

 

[DZoolander]

...and actually the more accurately you translate the passages from the biblical languages, the more it supports slavery. The KJV tried to soften it by changing "slave" to "servant"

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Der Alter, stop denying that the Bible supports slavery. It's black and white. Unless, of course, you take into account bad translation which is what I've been trying to say about homosexuality.

 

[DZoolander]

Well, ya know, God was really really really [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed off about homosexuality...so he made sure that one came through accurately.

Slavery - ehhh - not so much. That's one to let slide until someone "accurately" translates.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]So... are you suggesting that NO Bible scholar has ever owned slaves?[/SIZE]

Try reading what I said, if you want to respond quote it exactly and stop deliberately perverting what I say.

[SIZE=-1]Kind of like people who selfishly pick and choose how literally to interpret one passage, but not another, based upon how they want to feel about it?[/SIZE]

Oh you mean how homosexuals deliberately misinterpret certain passages? If you mean me. Back it up or pack it up.

...[SIZE=-1]and actually the more accurately you translate the passages from the biblical languages, the more it supports slavery. The KJV tried to soften it by changing "slave" to "servant"[/SIZE]

And your point is? There is more than one word translated both servant and slave.

[SIZE=-1]Der Alter, stop denying that the Bible supports slavery. It's black and white. Unless, of course, you take into account bad translation which is what I've been trying to say about homosexuality[/SIZE].

I have not denied anything. There is a big difference between "supports' and "acknowledges". The issue of slavery has absolutely nothing to do with the Biblical injunction against homosexuality. How many recognized religious bodies, vs. individual interpretation, ever actively condoned slavery?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Try reading what I said, if you want to respond quote it exactly and stop deliberately perverting what I say.

I read what you said... you said that slavery was condoned by people whgo didn't have the indepth knowledge of the Bible that serious Biblical scholars have... so, rather than make snide remarks, how about you try to give a straight answer for a change... Have ANY Biblical scholars owned slaves... and if sio, how does that line up with your theory that the Bible never condones slavery?

 

[Der Alte]

Here is what you claim I said.

[SIZE=-1]I read what you said... you said that slavery was condoned by people whgo didn't have the indepth knowledge of the Bible that serious Biblical scholars have... so, rather than make snide remarks, how about you try to give a straight answer for a change... Have ANY Biblical scholars owned slaves... and if sio, how does that line up with your theory that the Bible never condones slavery?[/SIZE]

What I actually said and where I said it. See any difference?

[SIZE=+1]There is a BIG difference between semi-literate "God fearing, well read, people" slave owners trying to justify their own selfish interests and Bible scholars, who did not own slaves, with no vested interest, with knowledge of the Biblical languages, and Bible history. Are you aware of that? How does that affect your argument?[/SIZE]

I don't know if any accredited scholars owned slaves, or not, it is not my argument. If you think so back it up or pack it up. If you want to address what I say quote my posts.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Here is what you claim I said.



What I actually said and where I said it. See any difference?



I don't know if any accredited scholars owned slaves, or not, it is not my argument. If you think so back it up or pack it up. If you want to address what I say quote my posts.

Aha! Another goal post shift! So now its only ACCREDITED Biblical scholars that didn't own slaves...

So please, do tell us all what criteria one has to meet to be considered "accredited"?

 

[david_x]

I want to know what could possibly be harmful about slavery in the first place. Slavery is not bad it is the abuse of that power (or any power) that is bad. Alcohol is not bad, guns are not bad, but people are.

 

[Pogue]

I want to know what could possibly be harmful about slavery in the first place. Slavery is not bad it is the abuse of that power (or any power) that is bad. Alcohol is not bad, guns are not bad, but people are.

You don't believe that slavery is wrong in and of itself?

 

[serephim02]

I want to know what could possibly be harmful about slavery in the first place. Slavery is not bad it is the abuse of that power (or any power) quote]

uh oh you done did it now.....I would run and hide from the rocks that will now come flying lol. You have now opened Pandoras box and I must commend your bravery thats the bravest funniest post I ever saw! Awesome

 

[david_x]

You don't believe that slavery is wrong in and of itself?

You would have me believe that someone subjecating themselves is wrong? As christians that is are calling. Force maybe used but that is were it becomes sin.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Slavery isn't bad.

But humans get caught up in the power. Thats why dictatorship doesn't work even though it's helped so many nations out of depression.

 

[Pogue]

You would have me believe that someone subjecating themselves is wrong? As christians that is are calling. Force maybe used but that is were it becomes sin.

As Christians, we're under God's command. Slavery is when you're under another person's command. It is not a good thing.

 

[david_x]

As Christians, we're under God's command. Slavery is when you're under another person's command. It is not a good thing.

How so? We are to serve are parents. Our elders. In fact anyone that has authority from heaven, that includes governments.

 

[Pogue]

How so? We are to serve are parents. Our elders. In fact anyone that has authority from heaven, that includes governments.

But there's a big difference between that, and being somebody's slave. Maybe we have very different concepts of what a slave actually is, but I'm not the slave of my parents, or of my government. I might respect my parents but that doesn't mean that I'm their slave. And how can a government, which has been elected by people, have authority from heaven? Does God approve of all governments?

 

[UnitedInChrist]

How so? We are to serve are parents. Our elders. In fact anyone that has authority from heaven, that includes governments.

I will assume you posted your remarks as a joke, which either way, it shows the type of person you are. Maybe slavery, as we know it, is the buying/selling of PEOPLE as a commodity. Owned as "property" there is no freedom for slaves, as they are at the mercy of their owners...so yeah, there is something very inherently wrong with that. Even if you were the best slave owner on the planet, it still doesn't jusify having another human being as your property. Children, elders, etc...are not OWNED by anyone. Perhaps b/c you're only 18 you don't get it..either way you're old enough to learn in the event you don't understand.

 

[DZoolander]

I want to know what could possibly be harmful about slavery in the first place. Slavery is not bad it is the abuse of that power (or any power) that is bad. Alcohol is not bad, guns are not bad, but people are.

lol - I don't even know how to respond to that one...or where to begin.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

We are all born as sovereign, equal agents, under God. Slavery, which is the ownership of one individual by another, is an affront to that concept. You can't *own* another person. The biblical passages, which state that "If you beat your slave so bad that he dies the first day, you are guilty of a crime... But if he manages to survive a day or two after the beating, then you are guilty of nothing as he is your property" is in my humble opinion downright offensive.

Are you seriously asking why that's wrong?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

You would have me believe that someone subjecating themselves is wrong? As christians that is are calling. Force maybe used but that is were it becomes sin.

Yet I bet anyone here $10 that David X won't be in a huge rush to subject himself to slavery anytime soon