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Originally Posted by Thaeoles
Just because David and Jonathan were best friends does not make them gay. I think you're reading too much into that.
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My answer is really to wayseer's response of above.
David and Jonathan were not gay, homosexual lovers.
The story is about about agape, philo and eros love.
The story also relates to when Jesus said "No greater love is this than to lay down his life for his friends."
When David said Jonathan's love was greater than that of women he was speaking about agape love being greater than eros love and that is all.
O COME ON!Do you find such a thought embarrassing? Jesus may well have been a homosexual for all we know. He trapped all over the countryside with a group of men. He did not marry, did not have a family of his own and apart from his mother the women in his life were either prostitutes or very low status.
If your find homosexuality embarrassing you might not like to read 1 Sam 20:17 - homosexuality is in the Bible.
There no real evidence that it's talking about purely agape love though. The section in question uses the same words and phrases used to describe romantic hetrosexual relationships in the Bible but about Jonathan and David. I remember reading it before I was a Christian and before Id even realised my own sexuality and thinking "theyre clearly very, very gay.." . I feel theres several parts of the story that indicate they had a homosexual relationship.
However thats just my opinion unless one of us were actually there, there is no way of knowing if the relationship between them was homosexual in nature or not.
A kiss is how men of that culture greeted each other. Some cultures still do today.
Men kissing men does not mean they're gay. It was normal in that culture and still is in some part of the world today.
The real homophobia lies in the Western today in that one cannot kiss a person of the same sex or else they are gay.
I've seen this in our current society, but I will continue to kiss my female friends on the cheek and my Mom on the lips.. it does not make us gay nor incestuous.
Do you find such a thought embarrassing? Jesus may well have been a homosexual for all we know. He trapped all over the countryside with a group of men. He did not marry, did not have a family of his own and apart from his mother the women in his life were either prostitutes or very low status.
If your find homosexuality embarrassing you might not like to read 1 Sam 20:17 - homosexuality is in the Bible.
Romans 16:16
Salute one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ salute you.
Same back to you sister Zeena
And that is so sad!I think most people in Western society are so afraid of a kiss between the same sex they have become almost unaffectionate towards one another, and that is what homophobia is.
*CATCHES THE LOVE*It's like air hug, air kiss. lol
1 Samuel 18:1If your find homosexuality embarrassing you might not like to read 1 Sam 20:17 - homosexuality is in the Bible.
O COME ON!
Of COURSE Jesus wasn't gay, that would be Lawlessness [SIN], and He fulfilled the Law!
What's your point? Where does it say Jonathan and David were gay lovers?
Well IMHO you have a strange way of saying it.There is nothing wrong with homosexuality - that's my point.
Well, HoloHope isn't answering..
I'm not a huge fan of the pentecostal/american-evangelical style of "born-again" I was however saved, excepted Jesus in my heart and do my best to maintain a relationship with him.
I just dont happen to view my sexuality as an obstacle to having a relationship with him.
Well IMHO you have a strange way of saying it.
Those who think there is nothing wrong with homosexuality are deceived, reject the things of God, and deny the Holy Scriptures, where God clearly condemns homosexuality.
Then I guess, by your definition, I'm deceived. Long may it be so if I have to adopt a homophobic agenda to satisfy some aspects of the Church of a bit of condemnation.
God does not condemn homosexuality or homosexuality. But the Bible clearly condemns those who claim the high moral ground and direct who is to be condemned - a point that is not always so well understood.
I don't adopt a homophobic agenda. I see this as a two way road.....these people don't want our Christian beliefs forced on them, but they have used the power of government to have their gay ideals forced on us. I can teach my kids at home that being gay is a sin, but still to love these people and reach out to them and treat them with respect, and not to engage in gaybashing. But the schools want to teach EVERYONE that being gay is ok, which is in direct conflict with God's Word. That's not homophobia. Yes, some extremist Christians will protest and be more militant about it, and bash them, but that is not the right thing to do.Then I guess, by your definition, I'm deceived. Long may it be so if I have to adopt a homophobic agenda to satisfy some aspects of the Church of a bit of condemnation.
God does not condemn homosexuality or homosexuality. But the Bible clearly condemns those who claim the high moral ground and direct who is to be condemned - a point that is not always so well understood.
He fulfilled the Law of God!Did he?
What does this have to do with Him fulfilling the Law?!?I wonder what Jesus thought - I wonder what he felt?
Are you saying you have used your God-given imagination to envision Jesus performing sexual acts with men after falling into temptation by lust?!?Have you ever wondered?
2 Corinthians 11:7You were embarrassed previously now you are mad. How are you feeling - that the Bible has to resonate with your personal beliefs?
SpiritDriven did not accuse me of sin in asking to give a testimony. And I did nothing of the sort, but I myself gave my own testimony before even asking you.And so that justifies singling me out?
SpiritDriven gave a WONDERFUL answer!
What is yours?
Mine is YES, AMEN!
Father, I am NOTHING in this life without you!
I can't be like you Lord, for I am not You!!!
Come, and be my Life Jesus!!!
I NEED You!!!
AMEN.
Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye presented your members as servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity, even so now present your members as servants to righteousness unto sanctification.
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