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Homosexuality - A Challenge
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No, it's my right. Although most states do not permit it. Natural rights are not always made into Constitutional and state rights.
That's legislation. You don't seem to understand that when I say "right" in this topic, I'm talking about natural rights, not what the state does.
I'm not advocating people be homosexuals, I'm only advocating you treat us non-heterosexuals LIKE HUMAN BEINGS.
I've already sought God.
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They are not effeminate like a drag queen would be, there was nothing effeminate about James Dean, softspoken and tender does not equal effeminte. And Mike Brady was gay I believe he died of AIDS.
To answer your question. I don't become offended, I do however have subconscience thoughts that this isn't right. I was basically expressing views held by the general public.
Gay people know what I mean, they know what kind of treatment they get, if they didn't they wouldn't be posting here looking to justify.
Obviously many gay people are troubled by the treatment they receive.
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Just Vermont AFAIK.
Does the bible say it's a natural right? No it doesn't.
I for one do treat gays like HUMAN BEINGS. Ok?
Only you can know your relationship with God. You are repenting and giving your life to Jesus? If so, it will become clear.
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What the hell is that supposed to mean?
No one wants to be treated like a second class citizen.
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Does the bible say it's my right to think how I want? Does the bible say a lot of natural rights? No.
I for one do treat gays like HUMAN BEINGS. Ok?
Your attitude here indicates otherwise.
I pray every night.
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fragmentsofdreams
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The question of how to support a prohibition without using the Bible is valid if one wishes to apply that prohibition in secular law. If one cannot create an argument of sufficient force using non-religious principles, then it is not right to legislate.
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It means I am saying you get treated like a second class citizen. AFAIK
I know nobody wants to be treated like a second class citizen. We are all sinners and even if being gay or being in love with someone of the same sex that gives humans no right to judge.
Knowing a little about human nature and God, I don't think your lifestyle will be accepted the way you would like.
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I can't sugarcoat the scriptures and I cannot sugarcoat how people treat other people.
Besides I have been nice to you. You are actually treating me like an enemy, I PMed you and offered to talk to you in a non biased way, I hold no anymosity.
As a Christian, I can only relate what the God and the bible says about sexual immorality. Please don't confuse it with any negative attitude towards you (or anyone else that's gay).
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The bible says nothing against homosexuality, the attraction between two people of the same sex. The bible says nothing against loving a member of the same sex as a man loves a woman.
The bible does say a few things that people have twisted into anti-gay bigotry. Unless God has personally spoken to you about the issue, all you have to go on is your own dillusions.
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What God has told me about this issue has brought me more strength than anything else. It has brought me peace.
I'm not going to go by YOUR beliefs in what God believes.
You're the one with a problem, the problem with homosexuality, not God. Get it?
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Who's us? Most Christians do think the bible condemns homosexuality. You are one tracked and closed minded and refuse to accept the possibility that homosexuality (also the absence of marriage) is sexual immorality.
I on the other hand have offered some compassion.
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Man you guys are out for blood, I can't believe how viscous a few gays can become over such a petty and meaningless discussion that ultimately goes no where.
No wonder no one else is addressing this matter.
Now you guys are making me chuckle, neither of you can show me where in the bible that gay acts are condoned.
No wonder no one else is addressing this matter.
Now you guys are making me chuckle, neither of you can show me where in the bible that gay acts are condoned.
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Too bad you are missing the understanding and compassion I have shown, now you guys are the ones that have a chip on your shoulder, oh well....so be it.
No wonder atheists think we are fools, because we are.
WE've read the scriptures and come to a totally different conclusion, anyone can plainly see that sexual immorality and how the NT describes trading themselves for vile affections.
Besides this is suposed to be not biblical, someone snuck the bible in here.
Sorry but Human (finite and corrupted) secular logic and morality does not mix with Christianities idea's of morality.
No wonder atheists think we are fools, because we are.
WE've read the scriptures and come to a totally different conclusion, anyone can plainly see that sexual immorality and how the NT describes trading themselves for vile affections.
Besides this is suposed to be not biblical, someone snuck the bible in here.
Sorry but Human (finite and corrupted) secular logic and morality does not mix with Christianities idea's of morality.
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fragmentsofdreams
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Originally posted by GTX
Now you guys are making me chuckle, neither of you can show me where in the bible that gay acts are condoned.
We could do this, but this probably isn't the right place. blondofborg specifically expressed his desire to discuss a secular prohibition of homosexual acts. The thread in General Apologetics probably would be more suitable.
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Originally posted by fragmentsofdreams
Seebs closed-minded.
Yeah, when it comes to sexual immorality, he has not once ever conceded or admitted that he might be wrong. Don't confuse open mindedness with misinterpretation.
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