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what we have here is a failure to communicate
excellent point, ok borg boy, how do you define and decide what is right and wrong, and why should we accept those standards?
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Homosexuality - A Challenge
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Yes, and do those morals reflect the majority of the population?
If not, then you cannot make a point that homosexuality is normal. It can only be justified or seen as moral by a select few. Therefore eggs is right how can we accept them.
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What is wrong with homosexuality?"
For me it would be wrong, because just thinking about it makes me wanne throw up. I have a build in safety system. When I eat rotton meat, my system makes me throw up, it prevents me from getting sick or die. Getting rid of this rotten meat makes me save my life. Same with homosexuals, when I see them in a restaurant, holding hands, kissing and having a "romantic" dinner, I am starting to get sick, I have to leave right away in order to prevent me from throwing up. Of course I am only speaking for myself. I don't know if others have this build in safety system, but I sure have it. I'm born with it.
Gee, it sure feels good to come out of the closet and admit that, yes, I have this sytem.
For me it would be wrong, because just thinking about it makes me wanne throw up. I have a build in safety system. When I eat rotton meat, my system makes me throw up, it prevents me from getting sick or die. Getting rid of this rotten meat makes me save my life. Same with homosexuals, when I see them in a restaurant, holding hands, kissing and having a "romantic" dinner, I am starting to get sick, I have to leave right away in order to prevent me from throwing up. Of course I am only speaking for myself. I don't know if others have this build in safety system, but I sure have it. I'm born with it.
Gee, it sure feels good to come out of the closet and admit that, yes, I have this sytem.
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GTX, thank you for giving me the best laugh I've had in quite some time! But to address your points...
"Just because 2 consenting people of the same sex feel compelled to engage in any kind of sex does not make it natural."
Okay, by this logic all those heterosexuals who engage in recreational sex with their partners are being unnatural too, right? And condoms should be banned too I'm guessing, since sex is JUST for procreation, right?
"We can further define natural on human terms as not being recognized as normal or natural by a majority of the populace.
If we cannot use God or the bible as a point of morality, then lets use the majority of humans to establish morality."
Homosexuals do not claim to be the majority, or represent the majority. However, neither do redheaded people, do we restrict their rights or try to encourage them to change their hair colour just because it might make us uncomfortable? No. What about left handed people? Just because people are a minority (even if it's caused by genetic deviation), does not make their difference wrong or unnatural.
"What about the Homosexuals who attempt to pick up straight members of their own sex, causing considerable uneasiness."
And spare a thought at this moment for those homosexuals who have straight people trying to pick them up, but know how to politely say no, and not feel uneasy. But besides that, this rarely happens. Most homosexuals will have the decency to try and find out if the person is actually gay before they'll make any moves! But for goodness sake, if you can't just take it as a compliment and say no, then you're the one with the problem, not the homosexual. If they won't quit (which 95% of the time they will), do what you'd do with any unwanted attention and get some official action taken.
"Having to deal with a homosexual on such an insignificant occasion as buying bread, can easily make ones skin crawl, if not ruin ones day. The feminine voice, dress, coupled with their feminine movements, can provide considerable incentive to avoid such people."
And for the 98% of the homosexual population who DON'T fit that description? You deal with homosexuals every day of your life. But your view of gay people is so narrow that you don't realise it. You don't recognise them. But the retail industry is dominated by gays (it's estimated up to a third of the men in retail are gay, compared to 10% population as a whole). So another thing to just get over here.
"I have thought about this on numerous occasions and if the gay couple in question are seriously committed to one another and do not flaunt or go around hitting on strangers, then that is their own business. If this was always the case then the issue of homosexuality wouldn't be so strong and possibily non existent."
So you want all homosexuals to live peacefully in happy little monogamous relationships, committed to each other and happy forever? Awww... thanks, you're sweet. Sadly, like heterosexuals, many gays are single. However many of them have standards so high for a partner that I seriously don't think you need to worry about being hit on.
"No amount of protesting, lobbying or complaining will further 'mental' acceptance by the people. People are coerced into making and accepting laws to recognize homosexuals in marriage a legal proposition by politicians and or homosexual rallies or outright flaunting of this lifestyle."
85% of young people I surveyed (and there were a lot in that survey!) were accepting of gay people and homosexual acts. We're looking at a bright future. Once equal rights are acheived, you'll find homosexual 'issues' will become a thing of the past. But not before.
"However I don't care what 2 individuals do in the privacy of their own home."
That's nice. You just don't think they should be able to legitimise it through marriage. Consistency plus! not
"Oh yeah, anal sex IMO, is condoned and natural between married heterosexuals, this is the difference though, married heterosexual couples reserve this right because the bond of matrimony is seen as both legal and moral by a majority of human population."
I don't think anybody's going to label 'marriage' immoral (unless they're a mad raving extremist leftie who sees monogamy as an oppressive capitalist regime). But I'd certainly question why de facto relationships that operate as marriages do are labelled immoral, just because they don't have a state recognised piece of paper.
As for lesbianism... as I suspected, another hetero boy who finds female homosexuality perfectly acceptable as long as it's his personal peepshow. Sick!
"Just because 2 consenting people of the same sex feel compelled to engage in any kind of sex does not make it natural."
Okay, by this logic all those heterosexuals who engage in recreational sex with their partners are being unnatural too, right? And condoms should be banned too I'm guessing, since sex is JUST for procreation, right?
"We can further define natural on human terms as not being recognized as normal or natural by a majority of the populace.
If we cannot use God or the bible as a point of morality, then lets use the majority of humans to establish morality."
Homosexuals do not claim to be the majority, or represent the majority. However, neither do redheaded people, do we restrict their rights or try to encourage them to change their hair colour just because it might make us uncomfortable? No. What about left handed people? Just because people are a minority (even if it's caused by genetic deviation), does not make their difference wrong or unnatural.
"What about the Homosexuals who attempt to pick up straight members of their own sex, causing considerable uneasiness."
And spare a thought at this moment for those homosexuals who have straight people trying to pick them up, but know how to politely say no, and not feel uneasy. But besides that, this rarely happens. Most homosexuals will have the decency to try and find out if the person is actually gay before they'll make any moves! But for goodness sake, if you can't just take it as a compliment and say no, then you're the one with the problem, not the homosexual. If they won't quit (which 95% of the time they will), do what you'd do with any unwanted attention and get some official action taken.
"Having to deal with a homosexual on such an insignificant occasion as buying bread, can easily make ones skin crawl, if not ruin ones day. The feminine voice, dress, coupled with their feminine movements, can provide considerable incentive to avoid such people."
And for the 98% of the homosexual population who DON'T fit that description? You deal with homosexuals every day of your life. But your view of gay people is so narrow that you don't realise it. You don't recognise them. But the retail industry is dominated by gays (it's estimated up to a third of the men in retail are gay, compared to 10% population as a whole). So another thing to just get over here.
"I have thought about this on numerous occasions and if the gay couple in question are seriously committed to one another and do not flaunt or go around hitting on strangers, then that is their own business. If this was always the case then the issue of homosexuality wouldn't be so strong and possibily non existent."
So you want all homosexuals to live peacefully in happy little monogamous relationships, committed to each other and happy forever? Awww... thanks, you're sweet. Sadly, like heterosexuals, many gays are single. However many of them have standards so high for a partner that I seriously don't think you need to worry about being hit on.
"No amount of protesting, lobbying or complaining will further 'mental' acceptance by the people. People are coerced into making and accepting laws to recognize homosexuals in marriage a legal proposition by politicians and or homosexual rallies or outright flaunting of this lifestyle."
85% of young people I surveyed (and there were a lot in that survey!) were accepting of gay people and homosexual acts. We're looking at a bright future. Once equal rights are acheived, you'll find homosexual 'issues' will become a thing of the past. But not before.
"However I don't care what 2 individuals do in the privacy of their own home."
That's nice. You just don't think they should be able to legitimise it through marriage. Consistency plus! not
"Oh yeah, anal sex IMO, is condoned and natural between married heterosexuals, this is the difference though, married heterosexual couples reserve this right because the bond of matrimony is seen as both legal and moral by a majority of human population."
I don't think anybody's going to label 'marriage' immoral (unless they're a mad raving extremist leftie who sees monogamy as an oppressive capitalist regime). But I'd certainly question why de facto relationships that operate as marriages do are labelled immoral, just because they don't have a state recognised piece of paper.
As for lesbianism... as I suspected, another hetero boy who finds female homosexuality perfectly acceptable as long as it's his personal peepshow. Sick!
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"And condoms should be banned too I'm guessing, since sex is JUST for procreation, right?"
Illogical statement. the follow through should be then people shouldn't have recurational (ie outside of marrage sex) which is something christians also proclaim.
"But the retail industry is dominated by gays (it's estimated up to a third of the men in retail are gay, compared to 10% population as a whole). "
Can you give me a cite for this?
"Once equal rights are acheived, you'll find homosexual 'issues' will become a thing of the past. But not before."
Equal rights? LOL you've got to be joking. Next thing people with different types of feddishes (sp) will want special treatment too...
Illogical statement. the follow through should be then people shouldn't have recurational (ie outside of marrage sex) which is something christians also proclaim.
"But the retail industry is dominated by gays (it's estimated up to a third of the men in retail are gay, compared to 10% population as a whole). "
Can you give me a cite for this?
"Once equal rights are acheived, you'll find homosexual 'issues' will become a thing of the past. But not before."
Equal rights? LOL you've got to be joking. Next thing people with different types of feddishes (sp) will want special treatment too...
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I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring up bestiality (or pedophilia). 5 posts... I think that's a new record.
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Equal rights? LOL you've got to be joking. Next thing people with different types of feddishes (sp) will want special treatment too...
I'm curious how you make the leap from "equal rights" to "special treatment".
(It's spelled "fetish", btw
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its special treatment because they don't deserve the equal rights, jeeez I thought that was obvious
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The intestines have a lot of lubrication, otherwise you wouldn't be able to go to the bathroom.
Secondly, lubrication is a poor argument, as many females require store-bought stuff, especially as they get older.
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Borg, your contentions seem to be based on the premise that homosexuality is genetic and not a choice.
There is not enough evidence to come to this conclusion, so you are assuming that homosexuality is a genetic trait, when in fact has not been proven.
All that aside, I personally feel a sense of uneasyness when I see homosexuals making out in public or whatever, I can't help it, it is a seemingly instinctive response. Does that make me a bad person?
What about those that instinctively are uneasy about seeing homosexuals in public holding hands or whatever.
How can a society that has been raised and taught through the ages just all of a sudden accept homosexuals?
AS for your lesbian question, in the natural course of everyday life outside and in public the same applies, however I am human and if I expose myself to lesbian sex materials, I too can become immoral. However I do not actively engage in multiple sex partners involving lesbians or bi sexual women because I know what reprucussions would arise, like guilt and the feeling of acting immoral. There is nothing wrong with feelings of homosexuality, but acting on them can be avoided. However these feelings of guilt for me would arise out of a moral standard that God and the bible has instilled in me.
I spent a lot of time expressing to you why homosexuality appears to be unnatural to a majority of humanity.
But don't mistake that for homophobia, I really don't see a big deal about homosexuality as long as it doesn't directly affect me. (Which it wouldn't of course)
And don't think I am not compassionate, because I am.
I know as well as the next person that there is no feeling of loving and being loved in return, and I am sorry that homosexuality was and/or is not tolerated by God or people (as a whole) through the ages.
As God's people, we are to love gays anyway, it is not for anyone to judge, however people do.
Maybe humanity could use a lesson in Tolerance. That is assuming there is no God.
Do you think about God? Have you ever thought about your soul?
There is not enough evidence to come to this conclusion, so you are assuming that homosexuality is a genetic trait, when in fact has not been proven.
All that aside, I personally feel a sense of uneasyness when I see homosexuals making out in public or whatever, I can't help it, it is a seemingly instinctive response. Does that make me a bad person?
What about those that instinctively are uneasy about seeing homosexuals in public holding hands or whatever.
How can a society that has been raised and taught through the ages just all of a sudden accept homosexuals?
AS for your lesbian question, in the natural course of everyday life outside and in public the same applies, however I am human and if I expose myself to lesbian sex materials, I too can become immoral. However I do not actively engage in multiple sex partners involving lesbians or bi sexual women because I know what reprucussions would arise, like guilt and the feeling of acting immoral. There is nothing wrong with feelings of homosexuality, but acting on them can be avoided. However these feelings of guilt for me would arise out of a moral standard that God and the bible has instilled in me.
I spent a lot of time expressing to you why homosexuality appears to be unnatural to a majority of humanity.
But don't mistake that for homophobia, I really don't see a big deal about homosexuality as long as it doesn't directly affect me. (Which it wouldn't of course)
And don't think I am not compassionate, because I am.
I know as well as the next person that there is no feeling of loving and being loved in return, and I am sorry that homosexuality was and/or is not tolerated by God or people (as a whole) through the ages.
As God's people, we are to love gays anyway, it is not for anyone to judge, however people do.
Maybe humanity could use a lesson in Tolerance. That is assuming there is no God.
Do you think about God? Have you ever thought about your soul?
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I can eat 50 eggs
what we have here is a failure to communicate
the qustion remains
what makes your system of values and morals superior to ours?
really, it's a simple question.....
what makes your system of values and morals superior to ours?
really, it's a simple question.....
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That's an argument against the few homosexuals that hit on heterosexuals, not against homosexuality.
NOW THAT IS OFFENSIVE!
Homosexuality and femininity do not go hand in hand. Most homosexuals I know are not effeminate and find that behavior annoying. In fact, many heterosexual males act effeminate.
So your argument is not against homosexuality, but being feminine.
Stereotypes and bigotry are the problem.
People have a right to marry whoever they want. To deny that right based on sex is no worse than race.
Start treating them like human beings, that's what they are.
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People read their Bibles and see that homosexuality is condemned. Armed with no other evidence and attempting to legitimize their beliefs, they go around using a combination of half-truths, biased studies, prejudice and sheer ignorance to "prove" that there is a good reason to hate people.
I have a very strong reaction of dismay when I see the level of fanaticism some Christians have. Is that a natural defense mechanism too?
I'll leave the self-righteous to their blind rage as long as they don't wilfully hurt people because of it.
I have a very strong reaction of dismay when I see the level of fanaticism some Christians have. Is that a natural defense mechanism too?
I'll leave the self-righteous to their blind rage as long as they don't wilfully hurt people because of it.
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Technically it is light mucous lubrication filled with bacteria and other stuff. This light mucous is not sufficient to sustain long periods of thrusting action involved in anal sex.
Older women need extra lube? That can be acheived naturally and without unnatural lubricants...
Yep, just call me Mr. Lova lova.... Don't just focus on that aspect of either I think i raised some legitimate standards of morality that reflect those of a majority of people.
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Would you know this from personal experience? Or are you just guessing?
I see nothing wrong or immoral about using spit for purposes other than keeping your mouth wet.
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People don't realize how harmful demoting people down to second class citizens can be sometimes.
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No one is raging, we are trying to have an intelligent discussion on the morality issues of homosexuality, I see no one using any kind of fanaticism.
Your blanket statement does nothing to further the discussion, it only serves to enrage people into making statements they would not normally make.
I don't know if you were addressing me or not, but I already conceded to the fact that LOVE is a human emotion and that gay love is not exempt of these emotions.
I am a lover, I do not chastise or judge anyone, and I certainly do not participate in any kind of anti gay stuff.
I'll say it again in the spirit of human emotions and feelings, "There is no feeling like loving and being loved in return"......
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Natural Rights are given to us by birth.
No one has the right to tell me who I can be in love with and who I can spend my life with.
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No I wouldn't know anything about that, but I'm not an imbecile, I know a little bit about anatomy.
Your point about keeping your mouth wet? Why does saliva keep your mouth wet in the natural course of human nature? No it's not immoral to use it as a lube agent for a spouse.
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