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I asked you a pretty straightforward question because I'm trying to figure out where you stand. I asked, You seem to be saying that the Bible uses the term faith in the sense of a leap of faith, that is, jumping to a conclusion without sufficient warrant, that is, to presume a conclusion that I don't really know to be true, as an act of devotion.
I ask again, Yes or No, is this appropriate behavior. Your writing seems to suggest Yes, but I'd like to get a definite affirmative on that before proceeding. Because I can't really respond to your posts if I don't know where you stand.
Sorry, I don't really understand your question, but I have told you, at least twice, where I stand.
I believe the definition of faith in Hebrews 11:1. I have said that if you believe, or have good reason to believe, something but can't see it, that's faith - if you could see it you wouldn't need faith to believe that it existed.
I also believe Paul when he said that we walk by faith and not by sight. You have said that he meant the opposite but won't say how you know that.
You keep asking me to cover certain topics.
No, I keep asking you to make good your claims.
You claim that most Christians believe that the cross was God's greatest sacrifice, but in fact it wasn't; that you know what it was and that you need to dismantle 2000 years of Christian doctrine because we are influenced by Plato. So what was God's greatest sacrifice and why are we looking through the lens of Platoism?
You claim that you know that Paul really meant to write that we live by sight and not by faith. So how do you know this when all Bibles say the opposite?
You said it is easy to prove that God is not infinite; so why don't you do so?
I've already covered a lot of ground on this thread, I've spent a lot of time and done a lot of writing. I'm sorry I can't cover all possible topics in full.
Then, with respect, you shouldn't make statements, or claims, that you are not prepared to explain. If you have answered the same point dozens of times before, or covered it in another thread, give us the post number or a link to the thread.
And it's hard to invest the time in all possible topics if I don't feel I'm seeing much open-mindedness. I don't think most Christians really WANT reform. Maybe it's just easier to remain in our comfort zones than mustering the effort to reevaluate traditional thinking. I'm sure everyone will deny this - but the fact remains I have to decide for myself whether I'm seeing sufficient openness to cover all the topics.
Firstly, this is the Christians only section of the forum and to post here, and indeed to have the Christian icon, a person has to accept the Nicene creed, as per forum rules. I'm not saying you don't, but you have to understand that this is our starting point.
Secondly, your thread has been moved from General Theology to the unorthodox doctrine section. That should tell you that the arguments in it are questioned, or not accepted, by most Christians.
And thirdly, you say you base your arguments only on Scripture, but then you contradict what Scripture says and say it's not true because you don't understand it.
If you put forward an argument, back it up from Scripture, solid exegesis, evidence of having consulted various commentaries, etc, people will be more likely to listen than if you adopt the attitude "I know x" but don't explain how you know, and ignore Scripture.
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