Holocast Weapons

[dad]

Hindsight after the Lord returns will tell us whether nuclear warfare was what the Bible was referring to!!

Till then, we have no way of being sure...and it's not really very important in influencing the way we should choose to live now.

From our side, we are called to be Jesus' followers, seeking peace, making peace.

Yes, very very seldom, very rarely, just wars may need to be fought...but I agree that as Christains, we should be constantly talking peace and trying to reduce all kinds of confrontation and skirmishing, reducing all kinds of weapons, downsizing armies...and seeing its terrible effects, should try to totally ban nuclear weapons globally.

Absolutely.

Those counties like the US asking others to do so ought to do so themselves. Lead by example.

. .We see that it looks like the bible does tell of a nuclear war. I believe there will be limited nuclear exchanges before the worldwide war. I also believe that the rapture occurs right at, near, or just before the worldwide nuclear war. We are saved in more ways than one.
Some things we do know, there ill be a mark of the beast, without which we can't buy or sell. The antichrist will be revealed, etc. Nuclear war is a fairly sure thing as well, but as you say, we don't absolutely know that.

"Zechariah 14:12-16 (19) describes a battle which God will use to judge the nations (compare with Revelation 19:17-21 (20)). He describes the "plague" like this: "Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." This sounds gory but we can't escape the similarities to the destruction of people by nuclear warfare and fallout or biological or chemical warfare. How did Zechariah know? There was nothing comparable to this at all in his day. "
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibletru.html

 

[NeoScribe]

If nukes play a part in the End of Days, will it really make matter if we try to get rid of them all?

(Its just a question, dont hate me!)

 

[dad]

If nukes play a part in the End of Days, will it really make matter if we try to get rid of them all?

(Its just a question, dont hate me!)

No. But what's the harm in voting for it? . ..

I hear people saying Iran should have no nukes, but Israel should. I say no one should. Why not be the good guys, and be the first to get rid of them all? They are, as one famous dissident put it, 'holocaust weapons'. Why would Israel support a holocaust?

 

[NeoScribe]

truth.




(whats with me and these one word replies today?)

 

[NeoScribe]

However, that leaves an America and Isreal without nuclear deturrents. A very problamatic situation.

 

[dad]

However, that leaves an America and Isreal without nuclear deturrents. A very problamatic situation.

Not as problematic as them blowing millions to hell. If Israel may have, ALL may have over there, and everwhere else. If all have WOMD there, the world is doomed.

They say Israel was given some nuclear bunker busters to use by the US. This means we likely are looking at a limited nuclear exchange over there soon!

There was a story the in last few days where 400 dolphins turned up dead in Zanzibar. Not poisoned, or starved. A mystery. The other time some 60 odd dolphins turned up dead on a beach was in Florida, resulting from nuclear submarine's sonar in the area. I wonder who is heading up to Iran now, if we look at a map, that is south of Iran!? No joke, man's holocaust weapons.

I think The US should be the good guys, and unilaterally disarm all nukes!

They would have wide world support. They still have conventional weapons to take out some Iran sized country (If the rest of the now sympathizing world didn't do it for them first) in a hurry.

I doubt Russia or China would nuke the US. They would be under great pressure to do the same by their own people and the world.

 

[Ave Maria]

In terms of military power, the United States doesn't need its nuclear weaponry to be considered a threat, and by know everbody has figured out we'll never use them again anyways. The problem is that if the US destroyed all its nukes, there would be no way to ensure other nations would follow, especially since we wouldnt have our nuclear weight to throw around. And if Isreal kissed its nuclear program goodbye, the world could kiss Ireal goodbye. I'm all for peace and disarmerment of WMD's but not everyone, and not everyones leaders feel the same same way. Optimistical, but unfortunetly not very practicle.

As I said, they need to all be gathered up at one time and then sent out into the outer edges of the solar system and destroyed all together at one time. It wouldn't work unless everybody destroyed all of their nukes and weapons of mass destruction at one time. But then of course would come the problem of whether or not other nations would hide their weapons.

 

[dad]

As I said, they need to all be gathered up at one time and then sent out into the outer edges of the solar system and destroyed all together at one time. It wouldn't work unless everybody destroyed all of their nukes and weapons of mass destruction at one time. But then of course would come the problem of whether or not other nations would hide their weapons.

Not everyone will do it at once. If the 'good guys' did it, others would follow. How can I ask you to lay down your nukes when I have more than anyone else? That is hypocritical. I fear not some country nuking me. I fear being the bad guy that nukes others.

 

[NeoScribe]

So if we give up all our nukes, everyone else suddenly becomes goodguys and gives up there nukes as well?

 

[dad]

So if we give up all our nukes, everyone else suddenly becomes goodguys and gives up there nukes as well?

At least the world's largest stash would be gone. There are no guarantees. But why would someone nuke the US for following the way of peace? Even if they did, what a way to go! Better than being the warmongers causing a global nuclear war.

How can they ask others to do what they will not? Besides, several countries would still have them, and might not aloow anyone to start nuking anyone. In that time the pressure would be great for all countries to follow.

 

[crumbs2000]

I don't think it was proven that the Muslims used in the 911 attack were the real organizers.

Doesn't matter really, they obviously knew something, because they were flying the planes. These suicide bombers are angry and brainwashed, so are easy to recruit. They aren't the big daddys of it but would know where it's coming from. What annoys me is all the secrecy especially from our governments. They know what's going on. CIA had a chance to destroy Osama Bin Laden, but let it go. Something fishy about Bush and him knowing the Bin Ladens besides business. It's all about profits. It was a excuse to get Saddam as well (even though he is a tyrant) - old family feuds.
I don't think disarming is really going to work, it's unrealistic anyway. Like America is really going to give up their weapons. Besides America has its eyes firmly on Iran, China and North Korea. They will be watching like hawks!

 

[dad]

Doesn't matter really, they obviously knew something, because they were flying the planes.

Oh, but it does matter. You see if it was a set up, using Arabs for an operation (willing or mind controlled doesn't matter) then it is the ones who set it up who are guilty. Not the fall guys. The question is how do we really know? I mean on the first plane to go down was an ex Israeli officer in a semi secret Mossad like outfit. They admit to going into other countries to assasinate and they often talk and dress as Arabs, and try to blame the bomb or whatever on the Arabs if possible as well. 'Oh, their own bomb factory blew up' sort of thing. THe accept only about 1 in 3000 applicants, and are highly trained. He happened to be seated directly across from the hijackers. So it wasn't just Arab killers on that plane.

These suicide bombers are angry and brainwashed, so are easy to recruit. They aren't the big daddys of it but would know where it's coming from. What annoys me is all the secrecy especially from our governments. They know what's going on. CIA had a chance to destroy Osama Bin Laden, but let it go.

I am wary of that supposed Bogey Man.

Something fishy about Bush and him knowing the Bin Ladens besides business. It's all about profits. It was a excuse to get Saddam as well (even though he is a tyrant) - old family feuds.

I couldn't say. I can say that Bush is unchristian in his obsessive warmongering and mass murders.

I don't think disarming is really going to work, it's unrealistic anyway. Like America is really going to give up their weapons. Besides America has its eyes firmly on Iran, China and North Korea. They will be watching like hawks!

OK, then they are not the good guys. No wonder they will lose the coming wars in the middle east where Iran Turkey, Germany, and a few others led by Russia will successfully invade Israel.

 

[NeoScribe]

It seems to me that it would be better if everyone had a thousand nukes not quite hidden from everyone else. No one would go to war with anyone unless they wanted to see their country wiped of the face of the planet.

 

[dad]

It seems to me that it would be better if everyone had a thousand nukes not quite hidden from everyone else. No one would go to war with anyone unless they wanted to see their country wiped of the face of the planet.

If they have them, they will use them one day. One day soon, most likely. The devil is the enemy of man, and our souls. He would if he could like to wipe us out totally as a race. He can't. But he is behind nuclear weapons. A country that cried out to God, and looked to Him would have a far greater defence than holocaust weapons. There is no other way.

I am not worried, I know they will use them. Jesus will step in before they kill all life and take over and rule forever. I can't lose. But my advive remains the same, be the good guys, whatever the cost, be brave, fear not, and forsake all nukes now.

 

[NeoScribe]

Just nukes? Why not all weapons in general, from WMD's to the tiniest pocket knife.

 

[dad]

Just nukes? Why not all weapons in general, from WMD's to the tiniest pocket knife.

WOMD in general. The degree of badness and harm they can cause is just unacceptable. As wicked as a little knife may be in some hands, it has limited damage it can do.

 

[NeoScribe]

Limited! A guy can walk around town and stab everyone in the back is limited! A nuke may be big, but it can only be used once.

 

[dad]

Limited! A guy can walk around town and stab everyone in the back is limited! A nuke may be big, but it can only be used once.

Yes, and if one is used, others will be, or may be as well. There is no comparison to the amount of damage someone with a knife could do, till he was taken down.

 

[NeoScribe]

huh?

 

[dad]

huh?

A large nuclear weapon could kill say, 5 million people. A man with a knife might be fortunate to whack 7 people, before we took him down. This is a difference in the ONE bomb, of about 4 million, nine hundred thousand, nine hundred, and ninety three people horribly killed. Do you not see a difference?