Holocast Weapons

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If they have them, they will use them one day. One day soon, most likely. The devil is the enemy of man, and our souls. He would if he could like to wipe us out totally as a race. He can't. But he is behind nuclear weapons. A country that cried out to God, and looked to Him would have a far greater defence than holocaust weapons. There is no other way.

I am not worried, I know they will use them. Jesus will step in before they kill all life and take over and rule forever. I can't lose. But my advive remains the same, be the good guys, whatever the cost, be brave, fear not, and forsake all nukes now.

Funny those extreme Islamics think that the west and it's allies are the devils.
I don't think the devil would want to wipe us out. He would want us alive to carry on his dirty work. Why would he kill us if he had noone to recruit?? He'd want us to suffer.

I don't think the the governments will be using their weapons at the moment, that's a very negative attitude. Realistically I don't think the govs want a nuclear war. The only ones who want death are those extreme religions(islam) that want the world for themselves. It's up to us also as voters as the people to also stop war.

current news on iran:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060507/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear_16

Why are you not worried if they do decide to have a nuclear war?? You have a simplistic ideal of war. I mean, I know God/Jesus are there for us spirtually but I don't think Jesus will come in like you say. I mean where were they physically in the past wars? IF Jesus does save us, hopefully he will come to the person just before he pushes the button!!!

All we can do for now is just pray for people to be better and pass on the word and be tolerant!

 

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...The only ones who want death are those extreme religions(islam) that want the world for themselves. It's up to us also as voters as the people to also stop war.

Yet, the only country with holocaust weapons in the middle east is Israel. Are they less extreme?

Why are you not worried if they do decide to have a nuclear war?? You have a simplistic ideal of war. I mean, I know God/Jesus are there for us spirtually but I don't think Jesus will come in like you say. I mean where were they physically in the past wars? IF Jesus does save us, hopefully he will come to the person just before he pushes the button!!!

He will step in, it is written in the word. 'Except those days be shortened, no flewsh should be saved'. But they will be shortened, and the return of the KIng is on the horizon, right after the man of sin has his little day.

All we can do for now is just pray for people to be better and pass on the word and be tolerant!

Or demand that they drop the holocaust weapons. Why should the populations that will be targeted with them roll over?

 

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Oh, but it does matter. You see if it was a set up, using Arabs for an operation (willing or mind controlled doesn't matter) then it is the ones who set it up who are guilty. Not the fall guys. The question is how do we really know? I mean on the first plane to go down was an ex Israeli officer in a semi secret Mossad like outfit. They admit to going into other countries to assasinate and they often talk and dress as Arabs, and try to blame the bomb or whatever on the Arabs if possible as well. 'Oh, their own bomb factory blew up' sort of thing. THe accept only about 1 in 3000 applicants, and are highly trained. He happened to be seated directly across from the hijackers. So it wasn't just Arab killers on that plane.

No NO NOO. Don't make excuses for these TERRORIST. They got in those planes (free will). You are making martyrs out of these Arabs. Mind control DOES matter. Don't you see?? Where are you getting your info from-conspiracy theory websites? Who do you think is behind it? The jews?? The Israeli was Daniel C. Lewin an American citizen with dual Israeli citizenship, who was a former elite Israeli commando officer in a secret unit of the Israeli Defense Force called Sayeret MatKal. He was murdered-throat cut. Why would they murder him if he was part of it? hello. They check the passports. Besides they looked normal on the plane, they wouldn't have been dressed up as Islamic terrorist. Your claims don't stick!It could be possible however for some Israeli secret police to dress up as arab, but probably to get in as spies and assassinate their target For eg the munich games terrorists.
for eg: Sayeret MatKal was formed in 1957, and explicitly created to infiltrate enemy territories for the purpose of conducting top secret intelligence gathering missions. Members of this unit are trained on the finer points of looking and thinking like an Arab, and have been credited with conducting numerous death-squad killings, disguised as civilians.



I am wary of that supposed Bogey Man.

What do you mean "supposed Bogey Man"?? Osama Bin Laden is a tyrant. He would kill any of you unless you converted to Islam. Would you convert???Osama is an Islamic fundamentalist, a primary founder of the al-Qaeda Islamic fundamentalist organization and a member of the immensely wealthy bin Laden family. Bin Laden and al-Qaeda have allegedly carried out a number of attacks worldwide, including the September 11, 2001 attacks on The World Trade Center in New York City, The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, and the failed hijacking of United Airlines flight 93, which killed at least 2,986 people. In addition, they have been linked to the bombings at the U.S. Embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and U.S. Embassy Nairobi, Kenya, the USS Cole, the Bali nightclub bombings, the Madrid bombings, as well as bombings in the Jordanian capital of Amman and in Egypt's Sinai peninsula.
According to a video tape released by Osama bin Laden, his main grievances against the West and especially the United States, include their support for Israel, their support for several dictatorial regimes in the Middle East, and the presence of United States military bases in Saudi Arabia, where the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina are located. The U.S. withdrew from these bases in 2003, stating that they were no longer necessary for their campaign in Iraq, however attacks continued.




I can say that Bush is unchristian in his obsessive warmongering and mass murders. Bush is an fundamentalist christian. Due to Islam being extreme, Bush is extreme Christian so he can stick it up those Islamics. This has been done on purpose politically.So Bush is kind of using christianity in a politcal way.

See my answers: they are part of the above quote.

 

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Yet, the only country with holocaust weapons in the middle east is Israel. Are they less extreme?



He will step in, it is written in the word. 'Except those days be shortened, no flewsh should be saved'. But they will be shortened, and the return of the KIng is on the horizon, right after the man of sin has his little day.



Or demand that they drop the holocaust weapons. Why should the populations that will be targeted with them roll over?

Israel is just as guilty IMO. Look at the mess in Palestine. Two wrongs don't make a right.
You have to be realistic. These countries will not depose of their weapons. Eventually however they might like France they will detonate but when they decide to do it, probably destroy the poor pacific. still angry about that one!

 

[dad]

He was murdered-throat cut.

First reports said he was shot. Something is a little funny there. Were there bodies as evidence here? If someone parachuted out somewhere over sea or something before this, would we know? How?

Bush is an fundamentalist christian. Due to Islam being extreme, Bush is extreme Christian so he can stick it up those Islamics. This has been done on purpose politically.So Bush is kind of using christianity in a politcal way.

What Bush says and does seem opposed. I look at actions. They are not Christian, in my opinion.

 

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First reports said he was shot. Something is a little funny there. Were there bodies as evidence here? If someone parachuted out somewhere over sea or something before this, would we know? How?

What! Can you image what the bodies looked like from a plane crashing into a enormous building, explosions, fire, then having the building crumble to the ground!! I mean they found a human hand on top of another building. Have you seen the remains of a bomb victim? Anyway, the Israeli in question - Look stabbed, throat cut, shot, doesn't matter-he was executed. They hate Jews. All jews would have been murdered first. They are so many conflicting stories because noone survived, so no one will ever know. It still remains that they were terrorists and it's no way to solve things, by flying planes into buildings. I realise that Islam has been bullied, but they are their own worst enemy at times.
As for the "James Bond" senario-unlikely. They wanted to die for Islam. Do you know their cause??Do you understand the mind of a suicide bomber?

 

[dad]

What! Can you image what the bodies looked like from a plane crashing into a enormous building, explosions, fire, then having the building crumble to the ground!! I mean they found a human hand on top of another building. Have you seen the remains of a bomb victim? Anyway, the Israeli in question - Look stabbed, throat cut, shot, doesn't matter-he was executed.

So, if he had actually shot someone, then jumped out the escape with a parachute, we would never know. Some communications that were sent, by point of a gun for all we know, are all that your case rests on?

They hate Jews.

They should look to the Jews to learn love, and how to treat their minorities, and neighbors I guess, the Palestinians, My aren't they the victim of a lot of love?

All jews would have been murdered first. They are so many conflicting stories because noone survived, so no one will ever know.

Assuming it was the Arabs who actually masterminded it, which is an assumption we will never likely be able to prove.

It still remains that they were terrorists and it's no way to solve things, by flying planes into buildings. I realise that Islam has been bullied, but they are their own worst enemy at times.

Of course they were terrorists, and potential terrorists, why else would they be used for the operation as believeable bad guys? Question is, who actually staged the thing and set it all up?

As for the "James Bond" senario-unlikely. They wanted to die for Islam. Do you know their cause??Do you understand the mind of a suicide bomber?

No, but a lot of them are not rocket scientists. They were simply willing to do an operation someone set up, in the shadows. WE know not who. Osama may be the Boogey man here.

 

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So, if he had actually shot someone, then jumped out the escape with a parachute, we would never know. Some communications that were sent, by point of a gun for all we know, are all that your case rests on?



They should look to the Jews to learn love, and how to treat their minorities, and neighbors I guess, the Palestinians, My aren't they the victim of a lot of love?



Assuming it was the Arabs who actually masterminded it, which is an assumption we will never likely be able to prove.



Of course they were terrorists, and potential terrorists, why else would they be used for the operation as believeable bad guys? Question is, who actually staged the thing and set it all up?



No, but a lot of them are not rocket scientists. They were simply willing to do an operation someone set up, in the shadows. WE know not who. Osama may be the Boogey man here.

This is all mere speculation and fantasy. I suppose you don't believe that Jews are really that hated by fundamentalist islam. I mean they won't to nuke Israel. That's why there's worry about Iran.
What is your point, that maybe the americans were in on the staging. That Osama is just an innocent man the American gov, just happen to hate. There are reasons behind every action, Osama is not hated for nothing. Who do you think is behind this??

 

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..This is all mere speculation and fantasy. I suppose you don't believe that Jews are really that hated by fundamentalist islam.

Why should they be, the Jews treat them so nice? Don't they? Ha. No, Hate is not something exclusive to the Arab heart. You should know this.

I mean they won't to nuke Israel. That's why there's worry about Iran.

There is worry they might one day be as much of a nuclear threat as Israel now is. Why wouldn't they try to be? If Israel may, everybody and his brother may.

What is your point, that maybe the americans were in on the staging. That Osama is just an innocent man the American gov, just happen to hate. There are reasons behind every action, Osama is not hated for nothing. Who do you think is behind this??

I don't know, that is the point. The evil in the shadows is unclear. We know it likely was a country behind it, since it was since a major operation. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I think I remember reading this. We know that the perpetrators had deep connections and inside knowledge and contacts inside the US. Not something we'd see from hazy eyed wild terrorists from abroad on their own. Someone staged it, planned it, set it up, orchestrated it. This means they could have framed the ones that were used in the operation. Just because the Arabs used may have been willing to take the job, doesn't mean they were anything but foot soldiers oredered by a hidden organizer. I can't support blowing cities, towns, weddings, apartments, etc to hell not really knowing for sure who was truly responsible.

 

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Why should they be, the Jews treat them so nice? Don't they? Ha. No, Hate is not something exclusive to the Arab heart. You should know this.




There is worry they might one day be as much of a nuclear threat as Israel now is. Why wouldn't they try to be? If Israel may, everybody and his brother may.



I don't know, that is the point. The evil in the shadows is unclear. We know it likely was a country behind it, since it was since a major operation. Maybe I'm wrong there, but I think I remember reading this. We know that the perpetrators had deep connections and inside knowledge and contacts inside the US. Not something we'd see from hazy eyed wild terrorists from abroad on their own. Someone staged it, planned it, set it up, orchestrated it. This means they could have framed the ones that were used in the operation. Just because the Arabs used may have been willing to take the job, doesn't mean they were anything but foot soldiers oredered by a hidden organizer. I can't support blowing cities, towns, weddings, apartments, etc to hell not really knowing for sure who was truly responsible.

You must have a suspect. So, just hypothetically do you lean more towards america, middle-east or Jewish being the organisers?? I believe that the Saudis have blame here, but you're likely to think theres a conspiracy there. You're better to do your own research, look on the net? It is funded by various groups rather than just one country, but as i said if it is a country it might be Saudi Arabia. Of course it was staged, it had to be organised by peoples with a lot of money. Do you know anything about sleeper cells?? They are all over the world waiting til be called to their mission. Come on.. They are as much to blame as the organisers. Your are generalising and missing the point. Do your research on Fundamentalist Islamic groups and terrorist groups in general. The arabs flying the plane have to have known something. There are contacts in the US on purpose. They need to enter, infiltrate the US undetected and live normally before given the okay. That is why immigration and even entering US soil from other countries is more full on. Fingerprinting for one. Sleeper cells are like serial killers. They don't look like criminals. They look like you and me. Normal, everyday people. Sleeper cells are dangerous. These terrorist move around crowds, get on buses, market places. When they die, more come. They are not martyrs, they think they are, they think they will get to God quickly and respectfully and in return receive their 70 virgins. What crap.
I already made my point about the jews being just a guilty, so I know that arabs aren't the only ones to be guilty of bad things. Besides I know that not all arabs are bad, I have arab friends. I think you missed my point when I critise fundamentalist islam. You obviously have a sympathy there and I don't.

 

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You must have a suspect. So, just hypothetically do you lean more towards america, middle-east or Jewish being the organisers??

Not really knowing, I wouldn't want to tar some party with a bum rap.

They are not martyrs, they think they are, they think they will get to God quickly and respectfully and in return receive their 70 virgins. What crap.

How about any soldier that dies? Ever heard how some thought God was on their side? Often both sides might think so. Just because Arabs might think so as well is not any worse.

I already made my point about the jews being just a guilty, so I know that arabs aren't the only ones to be guilty of bad things.

Godd, then how about de nuking both sides?

Besides I know that not all arabs are bad, I have arab friends. I think you missed my point when I critise fundamentalist islam. You obviously have a sympathy there and I don't.

Fundamentalist anything, if it leads to warmongering is a bad thing. Fudies killed Jesus.

 

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Not really knowing, I wouldn't want to tar some party with a bum rap.still waiting..



How about any soldier that dies? Ever heard how some thought God was on their side? Often both sides might think so. Just because Arabs might think so as well is not any worse.Beside the point. You obviously don't get it. Those terrorists wouldn't care for you, so why you defending them? Remember that that God that they think is on their side is also the God you believe in. Funny isn't it. A God that promotes violence? Soliders!..them..soliders of hate more like it.

Godd, then how about de nuking both sides?
Gees I wonder when that will happen!



Fundamentalist anything, if it leads to warmongering is a bad thing. Fudies killed Jesus. What do you mean fundamentalist if it leads to warmongering. ANY fundamentalist is dangerous.

See my response in the quote above.

 

[dad]

still waiting.

Since I don't know, why make a public guess? I will say I doubt it was the Arabs themselves, rather an operation that used some.

Beside the point. You obviously don't get it. Those terrorists wouldn't care for you, so why you defending them? Remember that that God that they think is on their side is also the God you believe in. Funny isn't it. A God that promotes violence? Soliders!..them..soliders of hate more like it.

But those terrorists live in Israel, and the US among other places as far as I am concerned. Why pick on Arabs?

Gees I wonder when that will happen!

We will disarm all in the next several years or so, depending when this mess wraps up. Put it this way, right after the end of the several year reign of the antichist. Absolutely.

What do you mean fundamentalist if it leads to warmongering. ANY fundamentalist is dangerous.

Nonsense. Fundamentally believing in the bible is good. In Jesus, and etc. Fundamentally believing in math couldn't be that bad could it? How about rain? I believe rain exists.

 

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Since I don't know, why make a public guess? I will say I doubt it was the Arabs themselves, rather an operation that used some.


But those terrorists live in Israel, and the US among other places as far as I am concerned. Why pick on Arabs?


We will disarm all in the next several years or so, depending when this mess wraps up. Put it this way, right after the end of the several year reign of the antichist. Absolutely.



Nonsense. Fundamentally believing in the bible is good. In Jesus, and etc. Fundamentally believing in math couldn't be that bad could it? How about rain? I believe rain exists.

Maybe it was aliens that flew the plane??? Sorry but where are you getting your information from?? Several years from now..disarming. Why not now?? Who is the anti-christ by the way?? Why pick on Israel then? I'm not "picking" on arabs that is too general. As I said I have arab friends and even they think it's "fundie" islam. You've lost me, especially with the math thing. I realise some members don't know or refuse to understand about fund/Islam. I suppose the Bali Bombings weren't fundmentalist Islam gone mad either!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/911-pentagon-footage-released/2006/05/17/1147545364256.html

 

[dad]

Maybe it was aliens that flew the plane???

No.

Sorry but where are you getting your information from??

The information is right there in the news, and records. It basically says we do not really know.

Several years from now..disarming. Why not now??

Jesus hasn't taken over the world yet, with us, and forced them to. We will.

Who is the anti-christ by the way??

He is a leader that will rule a lot of the world in the last days of man. I don't know yet who, but he will be revealed quite soon.

Why pick on Israel then?

Noting that Israel and the US engage in terror is a fair observation. It is not just the Arabs.

You've lost me, especially with the math thing.

If we believe in math, fundamentally it is not a bad thing. Some fundamental belief is good.

I realise some members don't know or refuse to understand about fund/Islam. I suppose the Bali Bombings weren't fundmentalist Islam gone mad either!

I don't know much about that. It seems that was the muslims. They do blow things up as well, some of them.

 

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No. Sure? I found a really interesting site that says aliens built the ark!


The information is right there in the news, and records. It basically says we do not really know. "If you believe everything they tell you!!!



Jesus hasn't taken over the world yet, with us, and forced them to. We will.Where did you get that "timetable" from that Jesus will be here is 7 years?


He is a leader that will rule a lot of the world in the last days of man. I don't know yet who, but he will be revealed quite soon. I'll be betting on that one!



Noting that Israel and the US engage in terror is a fair observation. It is not just the Arabs. I can see double-standards there


If we believe in math, fundamentally it is not a bad thing. Some fundamental belief is good. not even going to go there.



I don't know much about that. It seems that was the muslims. They do blow things up as well, some of them. yes,, fundamentalist muslims(islam).

I don't buy that the arab terrorists on those planes were just the guinea pigs. It's deeper than that as you know. All this no arabs on the planes, because of autopsy evidence. I mean there is no way they can scope the entire area. If it was the jews-conspiring to take over the world, how do you explain the rise of china-no jews there. The american gov can't handle something so organised. Look at the mess they've been in over the last 60 years. They have failed some many times. As for Israel, why condemn themselves even further-with violence.

 

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I don't think it was proven that the Muslims used in the 911 attack were the real organizers.


I think they should leave Iran alone. There are a lot of good people there. They have no Nuclear weapons. If Israel destroyed all their holocast weapons, as Vannunu called them, I don't think there would be a big problem over there.

If they can have, Iran can have, and everyone and his brother can have.

I would like to see a worldwide, unilateral disarming of weapons of mass destruction! That would be a clue to me, as to who really are the good guys, and the bad guys.

holocast weapons? I assume you mean holocaust? Why did you label them that?

 

[dad]

holocast weapons? I assume you mean holocaust? Why did you label them that?

Something I read quoted by a Jewish man, Mordecai Vannunu. He was the whistleblower that Israel had nukes years ago. He called them that. I agree.

 

[dad]

I don't buy that the arab terrorists on those planes were just the guinea pigs. It's deeper than that as you know. All this no arabs on the planes, because of autopsy evidence.

I never heard that one. I do not doubt that there were Arabs on the planes at all. Even that they maybe were very willing to do damage to the US. My question is, who really set it up, organized it, hired them (despite who they may have thought they were working for) had the inside connections, and savvy, etc.

I mean there is no way they can scope the entire area. If it was the jews-conspiring to take over the world, how do you explain the rise of china-no jews there.

I don't know it was Jews who did it either. How can we know who hides in the shadows?