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I've never made it personal as such as been done to me. I discuss the issues, I don't jump on the person.
Well stated.It is focusing on not sinning as opposed to focusing on doing the right thing, and preaching that message which makes us enemies to the cross.
Yes but your focus seems to be stealing where as the pro grace person doesn't even think about it. There is no dwelling on it. I did't say they're not tempted and can't fall (sin). Some are more affected by vanity than others. I have no desire for your stuff. I might find it usefull and therefore aquire (purchase) something similar or build it my self. These days need is more a motivating factor for me. It (need) has always been a more primary factor in my life.The apostles taught us to do good things and not to do bad things so your argument don't sound right.
Eph_4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth
Don't follow you at all here.Saying that is like saying Jesus and the apostles are enemies of the cross.
Isn't the teaching of love good enough? Do you really have to be told what you don't like being done to you?That's what i believe also, but that doesn't explain how teaching to not do bad things makes someone an enemy of the cross. I would think the opposite would be true.
Mat 23:26 is excellent in regards to how holiness is expressed in the flesh by the Christian.Not really.
If you disagree then I'd challenge you find a passage in the NT that contradicts this. But then again I don't place bets on the texts being perfectly accurate, nor on the infalliblity of any man.
It is focusing on not sinning as opposed to focusing on doing the right thing, and preaching that message which makes us enemies to the cross.
Love your enemiesSaying that is like saying Jesus and the apostles are enemies of the cross.
What is it?
I ask because some seem to say holiness and righteosuness aren't the same thing.
No one will see God without holiness and yet righteousness is discussed in Scripture to imply holiness? I think there is more than one meaning of holiness or being holy. What do you think?
I think there is only one meaning torighteousness.
What needs to be done? Does one have to go through the 613 laws found in the law and make a personal statement on each one to drive home the idea that they simply have no desire to perform the shalt nots of the law as a Christian. I think that this lack of desire comes from within a person by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit for the Christian.Throughout Scriptures, people either pray for the way they should go, or God desires to direct them in the ways they should go. But hasn't He already shown us in so many ways the ways we should go? What we should be doing? What we shouldn't be doing? Thoughout the scriptures, He shows us what we should/should not be doing for our own good and for His glory and purposes. He HAS shown us what is good and still shows us what is good. Why throw out what He knows is good for us? Nothing He ever commands whether in the OT, the NT, or directly to our lives now - none of it is evil, everything He says is good.
Hey did you find the Temple?I"m off to the temple tomorrow, to be reminded of how sinful the flesh is, over and over again, year after year, day after day, 10:11..see ya....
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins year by year.
If you truly understood the cross, you would not be about law, read Gal 3:1, and 5:24, and Col 1:22...it is done there.....God sees us holy!
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
1;22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach--
I think that's what this is all about. The Law teaches us what holiness "looks like", maybe in a rather crude way, but only because humankind was somewhat cruder-or less mature and experienced corporately speaking- when the Law was first given. But in any case, to simply cloak oneself with the Law, to obey it without grace, is to attempt to be righteousness by my own power, and is a crude attempt to be holy, without truly being holy. And truly being holy means simply to love as God does, as we're told we must, through which the Law happens to be fulfilled. IOW, we don't obey the Law to be holy, rather we need Gods holiness-we need God- in order to obey the Law, in order for us to be holy. But this isn't automatic, we don't become saints overnight. It's a day by day, sometimes grueling, continuous commitment or re-commitment to God on our part as evidenced by the way we live our lives. It's not either/or-either grace or works-it's both/and.Then it wouldn't be the whole gospel message! God does show us throughout Scriptures both in OT and NT, what love looks like when played out.
The lack of desire to obey God comes from self, not the Holy Spirit. To want to disobey God is unholy. And I'm sure we've all been there, but that doesnt' mean we shouldn't obey Him. The Holy Spirit prompts us to obey, never to disobey.
I think when someone views the law as ugly and damaging rather than given by God, it's going to look like a drudgery. But King David said 'oh how I love Your Law" and even Paul said the law is holy.
Umm, it hasn't been built yetHey did you find the Temple?
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