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So tell us how one can be a Christian can steal. Is this doing unto others as you would have them do to you?
So it appears that there is no reason to say that we establish the law. You refuse to state why you included it by saying I only said what Paul said. I don't buy that at all. To say such is to say that it is meaningless and has no value. While it is the argument of the the pro law camp to support obligation to the law. So since you seem to talk about the law so much and constantly show a personal need for rules, what zactly ya talkin bout? Come now spill the beans - all o em.I see much of the NT doctrine is found also in some of the law. Paul did say its good and holy. He did say we establish the Law, he did say for love we obey the law. The law is helpful in showing us our sin and our need for a Savior, and in understanding holiness and love. I like Gods law.
So as a Christian I have no desire to steal. Is my lack of deire simply a lack of motivation or is it because I focus on what I shouldn't do? It seems to me that you express a desire to steal but remember that you're not supposed to do it. Where as I've no issue to begin with.If i am a thief i will not stop being thief by not trying. and if God says being a thief is wrong then its wrong for me to be a thief, to know good an not do it is sin. Sure i'll need Gods help that's why we pray for Him to help us, but not trying is not an excuse, we must try, the apostles are clear when they tell us to not do evil, they don't speak a lot of words about how we do nothing, they don't tell us not to concentrate on doing good, they tell us multiple times to do good and not do evil.
But if taken to its logical conclusion, aren't you saying you've reached perfection now-that you have no desire to sin-ever-and therefore no need to be vigilant/on guard lest you fall?So as a Christian I have no desire to steal. Is my lack of deire simply a lack of motivation or is it because I focus on what I shouldn't do? It seems to me that you express a desire to steal but remember that you're not supposed to do it. Where as I've no issue to begin with.
But if taken to its logical conclusion, aren't you saying you've reached perfection now-that you have no desire to sin-ever-and therefore no need to be vigilant/on guard lest you fall?
I agree with scratch on this one, so if you'll hear my two cents, i'd say that it's not that i'm perfect and don't sin. It's that when I sin, I want to sin, and when I don't sin, it's because I agree with God and don't actually want to do that sin any more than He wants me to. Does that make sense?
Yes, but I took his statement to mean that, because he doesn't want to sin, he shouldn't need to be concerned with the law. And this is true, so long as he never wants to sin. If, on the other hand we just decide we can't be perfect or sinless anyway, then I guess it doesn't really matter whether or not we want to sin. So I think the question is, should we be concerned if we sin, or not? And this is the same as saying, should we care what the law says, or not?I agree with scratch on this one, so if you'll hear my two cents, i'd say that it's not that i'm perfect and don't sin. It's that when I sin, I want to sin, and when I don't sin, it's because I agree with God and don't actually want to do that sin any more than He wants me to. Does that make sense?
So as a Christian I have no desire to steal. Is my lack of deire simply a lack of motivation or is it because I focus on what I shouldn't do? It seems to me that you express a desire to steal but remember that you're not supposed to do it. Where as I've no issue to begin with.
I just have to ask... how come there is encourage or support for those who do things that are we know are GOD calls unholy
actually, I am working off what God declares is unholy.That requires a major assumption on your part.
I haven't seen anyone encourage or support sin here yet.
Yes, but I took his statement to mean that, because he doesn't want to sin, he shouldn't need to be concerned with the law. And this is true, so long as he never wants to sin. If, on the other hand we just decide we can't be perfect or sinless anyway, then I guess it doesn't really matter whether or not we want to sin. So I think the question is, should we be concerned if we sin, or not? And this is the same as saying, should we care what the law says, or not?
Leviticus 10:10specify and reiterate, please
I just have to ask... how come there is encourage or support for those who do things that are we know are GOD calls unholy
actually, I am working off what God declares is unholy.
Leviticus 10:10
And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
1 Timothy 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Leviticus 10:10
And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;
1 Timothy 1:9
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
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