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That is exactly what the rest of us have been trying to tell you ECR.God doesn't want your worship to be once a week and a couple of times a year... everyday of the year could be a pagan celebration and it wouldn't affect my relationship with Jesus. We are to be in the world and not of it... to me being of the world is doing what the world does, celebrating what the world celebrates and believing what the world believes and this time of the year that would be Christmas.
Judge, jury and executioner are you now? You do realize that Easter is also recognized as Passover?Most people pay God lip service with their worship because they don't have the type of personal relationship that He wants. They play church and celebrate Christmas and easter but their heart is far from Him. This applies to the vast majority of professed Christians both in Adventism and without.
You tell him ZekeThat is exactly what the rest of us have been trying to tell you ECR.
I think about and talk to Jesus every single day... to me that is defeating whatever satan can do to distract me from my worship and relationship with Him.
Most people pay God lip service with their worship because they don't have the type of personal relationship that He wants. They play church and celebrate Christmas and easter but their heart is far from Him. This applies to the vast majority of professed Christians both in Adventism and without.
God doesn't want your worship to be once a week and a couple of times a year... everyday of the year could be a pagan celebration and it wouldn't affect my relationship with Jesus. We are to be in the world and not of it... to me being of the world is doing what the world does, celebrating what the world celebrates and believing what the world believes and this time of the year that would be Christmas.
Judge, jury and executioner are you now? You do realize that Easter is also recognized as Passover?
Most people pay God lip service with their worship because they don't have the type of personal relationship that He wants. They play church and celebrate Christmas and easter but their heart is far from Him. This applies to the vast majority of professed Christians both in Adventism and without.
Show me in Scripture where it says we can't recognize Jesus' birth and Resurrection.Hardly, Jesus said that in that day many would come to Him saying, have we not done great things in your name and He will say to them, depart from me, I never knew you... those are not my presumptions. There are many scriptures that deal with the fact that only a few will make it into the Kingdom... now a few people in the history of the earth may be millions but it will still be a narrow rocky road travelled by few.
Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (Act 12:1-4)Also, if easter is recognized as Passover, then why don't the two coincide? Why are you celebrating Passover/easter anyway if the feast days were fulfilled? Easter is a fertility celebration of spring that follows the lunar cycle and was another righteously garbed pagan festival instituted by the RC church? How was it Jesus asked us to commemorate His death and resurrection? In 1 Cor 11 the instruction is given to the church to gather for a meal, to examine themselves and to remember the blood and body of Christ in fellowship and to do it as often as they gather to eat.
Show me in Scripture where it says we can't recognize Jesus' birth and Resurrection.
Now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church. And he killed James the brother of John with the sword. And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.) And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. (Act 12:1-4)
I don't think the RC church had formed just yet. Is the author of Acts, referring to passover or the pagan holiday?
So now the KJV Bible is corrupt because the RC church changed words to fit what they wanted it to say?The RC church translated words in the Bible to better fit what the were saying.
So now the KJV Bible is corrupt because the RC church changed words to fit what they wanted it to say?
1 It was about this time that King Herod arrested some who belonged to the church, intending to persecute them. 2 He had James, the brother of John, put to death with the sword. 3 When he saw that this met with approval among the Jews, he proceeded to seize Peter also. This happened during the Festival of Unleavened Bread. 4 After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover. (NIV)
G3957
πάσχα
pascha
pas'-khah
Of Chaldee origin (compare [H6453]); the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it): - Easter, Passover.
H6453
פּסח
pesach
peh'-sakh
From H6452; a pretermission, that is, exemption; used only technically of the Jewish Passover (the festival or the victim): - passover (offering).
Looks like the words are interchangeable, unless Easter offends.
So the bible is corrupt and we can't trust it. Thank you.The word, passover is Biblical, Easter is not. We all know what passover is but Easter carries an undeatanding that has pagan roots.
I don't have time today to go into all this so you will have to do your onw research but here is one incident.
In Matthew 28:19 you find the command to baptize in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one water baptism and the commanded is to baptize in Jesus' name.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
The book of Matthew is the only place in the entire Bible that speaks of a triune baptism, which contradicts the rest of the bible. So where did this triune baptism come from?
The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
"The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."
Two questions. Who told you what type of relationship God wants, and who are you to judge who does or doesn't have that relationship?
So I take it you've read the original manuscripts?Translations are not inspired, the original language is.
So I take it you've read the original manuscripts?
Can you share with us why you would be interested in the traditions established in other families and homes? Why would you care one way or another?
BFA
Before I leave I want to share another example of a Bible translation error, which I think is funny. If you take your King James Bible tranlastion at full value without testing, as God says, you will probably find yourself trying to heal a sick handkerchief or apron.
KJV
Acts 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Notice the comma is missing which now makes the Bible speak of sick handkerchiefs and aprons.
This is a good question and I would like to add my two cents, as a parent.
When you have children, this particular "holiday" gets crammed down their throats everywhere they go...to include school. The traditions of others *does* affect other people or there wouldn't be an issue. IOW, I wouldn't care at all about what people believe in, if they didn't try to instill those beliefs on my child without my consent.
We deal with this every year, and every single year someone asks my son what santa brought him for Christmas. And every single year my son responds with "Santa isn't real."
Amazingly, people get truly offended by his honest response, especially if their own children are somewhere within ear shot. So my motto...don't lie to my child about santa, and he won't tell yours the truth.
They can do all kinds of santa related activities at school, but they don't tell children about Jesus, it's illegal, right? So even though I hear it every year, that Jesus is the reason for the season, anyone with eyes and ears knows that simply is not true.
I didn't read through this whole thread, so I don't know if anyone answered with these verses as to the time of Christ's true birth, but here are some simple scriptures regarding that:
Luke 1:36 tells us that Mary became pregnant 6 months after Elizabeth. Luke 1:56 tells us Mary stayed with Elizabeth for 3 more months - putting Elizabeth to a full 9 months. But we find that Mary left her at this time. Why? Luke 2:41 tells us it was to attend Passover. When is Passover? SPRING. Which puts Christ's birth 6 months later. Late Sept or Oct.
Peace out.
Thank you for your perspective from a parents point of view...
We just did a historical/Biblical study on santa claus and it is, without doubt, satan trying to impersonate God and to get little children to believe in and worship him before they can know God. Is it any wonder the youth of today have a hard time coming to the Lord when they have been taught that someone with God's attributes and character was a myth?
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