Hocus Pocus ????

[TraderJack]

The cult of mary was actualy born out of a legitamate desire for people to grow closer to Christ. Although these people could not read they wanted to be able to pray the litany of the hours.

Since nothing you said actually addresses the poser I presented, I will present it again.

If there is anything about it you do not understand, please ask, and I'll clarify it for you.

So, tell us something, why is it that the Apostles, nor any of the early church fathers ever taught a single thing about the dogmas of the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary, and that those teachings did not appear anywhere until taught by the heretical cult of the Gnostics?

You see, Rome used to claim that it's dogmas were what was taught uniformly, everywhere in the early church, that is what Rome meant at Trent and Vatican I by saying that it's teachings were by "unanimous consent of the fathers", which had at that time been what Rome defined as "tradition".

However, the marian dogmas of the immaculate conception and assumption were never, ever taught by the Apostles or by any of the early church fathers.

So, on what basis did Rome declare those marian dogmas?

Well?

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Since nothing you said actually addresses the poser I presented, I will present it again.

If there is anything about it you do not understand, please ask, and I'll clarify it for you.



You see, Rome used to claim that it's dogmas were what was taught uniformly, everywhere in the early church, that is what Rome meant at Trent and Vatican I by saying that it's teachings were by "unanimous consent of the fathers", which had at that time been what Rome defined as "tradition".

However, the marian dogmas of the immaculate conception and assumption were never, ever taught by the Apostles or by any of the early church fathers.

So, on what basis did Rome declare those marian dogmas?

Well?

On the basis that Rome is the one true church....


case closed....

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Now, none of what you just said has anything to do with the poser I presented you, not a single thing.



So, you have a god that evolves, eh?

That sounds just like the Mormon god.

It certainly is not the God of the Bible and Christian faith, Who is Immutable.

I think there are a number of your Roman Catholic brethren who will cringe when seeing that your god evolves.






Yes, I follow the doctrines that are taught to me by the Scriptures.

Yet, you and Roman Catholics blindly follow what Rome tells you in opposition to the Scriptures.




Then why do you and Roman Catholics try to squelch scutiny and opposition as Rome has done for centuries?

It's a good thing Rome can't burn us who oppose Romanism at the stake any more.



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Miss quoting me gets you no where.

God cannot be restrainted or constricted by your rebellion against the truth. God is NOT what you want him to be or what I want Him to be. We cannot restrain Him to a luke warm missinterpreted readinds of an ancient text written almost 50 years after Christ died... sorry man this isnt a dream world.

Pax

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

No thanks. We'll keep things in the open.

Dude you have made 0 arguments.....

you know what this thread needs?

MORE BLANKET STATMENTS!

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Please show me where the Bible says sola scriptura...

lets start there and work toward a final solution to why we use tradition and reason as well as the Bible to govern our faith.


Pax

 

[TraderJack]

On the basis that Rome is the one true church....

And that is nothing more than personal opinion that is not substantiated by the facts.

Do you know the difference between a personal insult and a challenge to what you espouse as the truth?

I'll give you a hint.

Calling someone a liar is a personal insult.

Asking someone why they blindly follow their religion's teachings is a challenge.

You see, since you do not make any personal interpretations of scripture or anything else, which you and Roman Catholics constantly accuse Protestants of "private interpretation", then the only other option available is a blind trust.

Do you understand?

 

[TraderJack]

Dude you have made 0 arguments.....

At this point there is no need to.

You see, we are playing the game of "dueling dogmatic assertions".

you know what this thread needs?

MORE BLANKET STATMENTS!

Well, that is something Roman Catholics excel at, as evidenced by the numerous dogmatic assertions you have presented in lieu of anything of substance.

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

I am sorry that I use an entire Church and dogma to govern my beliefs and my faith as apposed to my own perseved infallible readings of an ancient text. You want to call us heretics and idolotars yet you believe in a me God or a God who has to fit to your own interpritation of the Bible.

Marian Cult isn't unbibilical if you understand it correctly man....you just chose not to.


Pax

 

[TraderJack]

lets start there and work toward a final solution to why we use tradition

Define "tradition".

So far you have not responded with any substance to the poser I presented nor with anything that is related contextually to the poser.

So, define "tradition".

This should be interesting.

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

No i dont blindly trust because I read, I listened and I believe.....do you understand?


Pax

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

LOL I am glad christ didnt hook and latter people into saying things he could attack!

Tradition: The thing that helped create your Bible....have you thanked tradition lately?



pax

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

NOW define Sola Scriptura in context to scripture

 

[TraderJack]

You want to call us heretics and idolotars

Now, don't let your emotions get the best of you.

Nowhere have I said you are heretics and idolators.

If I have, then produce the exact quote or else retract that gross misrepresentation of my statements.

Do you understand?

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Now, don't let your emotions get the best of you.

Nowhere have I said you are heretics and idolators.

If I have, then produce the exact quote or else retract that gross misrepresentation of my statements.

Do you understand?

I retract!

You see that its called humility!!!!!

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Understand?

 

[TraderJack]

LOL I am glad christ didnt hook and latter people into saying things he could attack!

Typical Roman Catholic demonization.

Tradition: The thing that helped create your Bible....have you thanked tradition lately?

If you cannot define it specifically please just say so.

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
Now, don't let your emotions get the best of you.

Nowhere have I said you are heretics and idolators.

If I have, then produce the exact quote or else retract that gross misrepresentation of my statements.

Do you understand?

I retract!

You see that its called humility!!!!!

I apologize, I should have been more specific.

To retract it means that you actually go to the post in which it is said and edit it out.

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

1. Beliefs or customs taught by one generation to the next, often orally. For example, we can speak of the tradition of sending birth announcements.

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

was Christianity or was Christianity not first an oral tradition?

 

[TraderJack]

I retract!

You see that its called humility!!!!!

Also, I will also ask that you refrain from misrepresenting what I say.