Hocus Pocus ????

[lionroar0]

So says Rome.

Jesus warned us of such things:

Lourdes is Holy Site that has turned many of thousands of people towards God.

To even imply it's lie it's and attributed to other then God is making the unpardonable sin. The only other logical conclusion if not of God then it's of Satan

You are putting your soul in very grave danger but it is yours do do as you please.

That's what hate does. Put's souls in danger.

Love saves.

I pray that the hate that you have towarsd the Catholic Church will be overcome by the grace of God

Peace

 

[mont974x4]

Lourdes is Holy Site that has turned many of thousands of people towards God.

To even imply it's lie it's and attributed to other then God is making the unpardonable sin. The only other logical conclusion if not of God then it's of Satan

You are putting your soul in very grave danger but it is yours do do as you please.

That's what hate does. Put's souls in danger.

Love saves.

I pray that the hate that you have towarsd the Catholic Church will be overcome by the grace of God

Peace

I'm sure God's grace has overcome many false teachings in bringing people to Him....regardless of the denominational source of the teachings.

 

[WarEagle]

Lourdes is Holy Site that has turned many of thousands of people towards God.

To even imply it's lie it's and attributed to other then God is making the unpardonable sin. The only other logical conclusion if not of God then it's of Satan

And what verse of scripture do you use to come to this conclusion?

I pray that the hate that you have toward the Catholic Church will be overcome by the grace of God

Why is it that anytime a Christian disagrees with the Roman Catholic church, it must be because they hate the church? Isn't it even remotely possible that we disagree with Roman Catholicism because so many of it's teachings and practices are Unbiblical?

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

And what verse of scripture do you use to come to this conclusion?



Why is it that anytime a Christian disagrees with the Roman Catholic church, it must be because they hate the church? Isn't it even remotely possible that we disagree with Roman Catholicism because so many of it's teachings and practices are Unbiblical?

We dont use Sola Scriptura......NEXT!


Pax

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Oh my gosh if its not in the Bible it is NOT IS NOT of GOD!!

Man God is so small to fit within so few pages.

Sorry God but we only have so much room for you in this book .....

My God is not confined to Scripture alone....praise Him for that!

 

[TraderJack]

Lourdes is Holy Site that has turned many of thousands of people towards God.

Personal opinion.

In reality, you have no way of knowing if anyone was genuinely turned to God because of Lourdes. Unless you are God and know their hearts, and I don't think that is the case.

To even imply it's lie it's and attributed to other then God is making the unpardonable sin.

That is only your personal opinion.

You are putting your soul in very grave danger

Not hardly.

That's what hate does. Put's souls in danger.

So stop hating.

Love saves.

Godly love opposes false religion.

I pray that the hate that you have towarsd the Catholic Church will be overcome by the grace of God

There you go playing the "H" card and the victim card again.

It can be counted on that when aspects of Roman Catholicism is scrutinized, challenged and opposed, that one of the typical Roman Catholic responses is to try to demonize by playing the "hate" card, the "anti-Catholic" card, the "bigot" card, and then play the victim card.

As long as Roman Catholics espouse Roman Catholic doctrines and practices that are anti-Biblical, they will be met with scrutiny, challenges and opposition, yet there is a doublestandard used, where the Roman Catholic reserves the right to espouse their religion, but any scrutiny, opposition and dissent is not to be tolerated.

Why are Roman Catholics so anti-freedom?

 

[TraderJack]

Oh my gosh if its not in the Bible it is NOT IS NOT of GOD!!

Why do you blindly trust everything Rome tells you?

 

[Uphill Battle]

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Personal opinion.

In reality, you have no way of knowing if anyone was genuinely turned to God because of Lourdes. Unless you are God and know their hearts, and I don't think that is the case.




That is only your personal opinion.



Not hardly.




So stop hating.



Godly love opposes false religion.



There you go playing the "H" card and the victim card again.

It can be counted on that when aspects of Roman Catholicism is scrutinized, challenged and opposed, that one of the typical Roman Catholic responses is to try to demonize by playing the "hate" card, the "anti-Catholic" card, the "bigot" card, and then play the victim card.

As long as Roman Catholics espouse Roman Catholic doctrines and practices that are anti-Biblical, they will be met with scrutiny, challenges and opposition, yet there is a doublestandard used, where the Roman Catholic reserves the right to espouse their religion, but any scrutiny, opposition and dissent is not to be tolerated.

Why are Roman Catholics so anti-freedom?

Jack your religion is false and you will be met with Scrutiny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I love hip shot blanket statments!

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Why do you blindly trust everything Rome tells you?

Why do you blindly trust those you trust who preach about God......Oh my gosh we are in a round a round mery go round WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Next hip shot blanket statment about a faith you dont understand please!

 

[TraderJack]

Lutherans do not generally hold to the idea of once saved always saved.

That's strange, Luther certainly did.

May I suggest you read Luther's writings on "Predestination" and "Perseverance of the saints".

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

That's strange, Luther certainly did.

May I suggest you read Luther's writings on "Predestination" and "Perseverance of the saints".

Yes and Luther also talked to the devil.....

OH and dont forget the countles pesants he had destroyed because of an uprising!!!!!

 

[TraderJack]

Why do you blindly trust those you trust who preach about God

I don't.

......Oh my gosh we are in a round a round mery go round WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So why do you blindly trust everything Rome tells you, even though Rome has contradicted itself repeatedly over the centuries?


It seems that you are one of the resident experts on Roman Catholicism.

So, tell us something, why is it that the Apostles, nor any of the early church fathers ever taught a single thing about the dogmas of the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary, and that those teachings did not appear anywhere until taught by the heretical cult of the Gnostics?

 

[TraderJack]

We dont use Sola Scriptura......NEXT!

Yes, that's right, and that is what led the Roman church into grevious errors.

The Roman church uses "viva voce, sola roma", whatever Rome says at the time it needs and can change it at any time to suit whatever it's present agenda is.

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

I don't.





So why do you blindly trust everything Rome tells you, even though Rome has contradicted itself repeatedly over the centuries?


It seems that you are one of the resident experts on Roman Catholicism.

So, tell us something, why is it that the Apostles, nor any of the early church fathers ever taught a single thing about the dogmas of the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary, and that those teachings did not appear anywhere until taught by the heretical cult of the Gnostics?

The cult of mary was actualy born out of a legitamate desire for people to grow closer to Christ. Although these people could not read they wanted to be able to pray the litany of the hours.

Born out of this was the rosary or prayer rope to which these pesants were able to "pray without ceasing" this brought them of course closer to Christ threw their continued prayer in their daily lives.

As the Rosary expanded and began to take a life of its own the cult of Mary continued to grow and blosom. This cult was created and formed in order to draw humble pessants closer to Christ threw the loving arms of his mother.

Why do you fear what you do not understand? Why do you sit on a message board all day spiting in peoples faces?

We do not believe in Sola Scriptura. We believe in a real living God who has the freedom to change and evolve however He sees fit. The Rosary is a child of that evolution of the body of Christ growing to love and adore its Father in new and exciting ways.

You do follow the doctrines that are taught to you...<staff edit>

Why do you care so much anyway? Maybe you should worry more about your own soul and leave the souls of others up to them?

Oh and where in the Bible does it say "take these words verbatim and never EVER find faith and hope in anything else?"

Your scrutiny does not scare me or weaken me. Christ said they would persecute......maybe you would be wise to chide your anger and find more constructive none destructive ways to serve the master?

Pax

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

Yes, that's right, and that is what led the Roman church into grevious errors.

The Roman church uses "viva voce, sola roma", whatever Rome says at the time it needs and can change it at any time to suit whatever it's present agenda is.

This is stawman blanket statment I can make the same round a round statments about the protestant church....Luther ordered the masacre of thousands of pesants.....that means protestantism is born on the hands of a murdered (see how that blanket statment is just assanine?)


Pax

 

[SaNcTaMaRiA]

I need to go to lunch Jack. It would appear we have bogarted this thread anyway lol. If you send statments to my personal box it will be a lot easier for me to respond !

Pax!

 

[TraderJack]

This is stawman blanket statment I can make the same round a round statments about the protestant church

LOL. Rome does not base it's doctrines on the Scriptures, or that would be sola scriptura.

Neither does Rome base it's doctrines and practices on the "unanimous consent of the fathers" as it claimed at Trent and Vatican I, because Rome readily admits that the dogmas of the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary were never, ever taught by the Apostles or the early church fathers.

No, Rome bases it's doctrines and practices on whatever Rome says they are, ie-"Viva Voce, sola Roma".

Luther ordered the masacre of thousands of pesants.....that means protestantism is born on the hands of a murdered (see how that blanket statment is just assanine?)

Which has absolutely nothing to do with anything I presented.

Please learn how to read in context. It will make actual communication possible.

 

[TraderJack]

So, tell us something, why is it that the Apostles, nor any of the early church fathers ever taught a single thing about the dogmas of the immaculate conception and assumption of Mary, and that those teachings did not appear anywhere until taught by the heretical cult of the Gnostics?

The cult of mary was actualy born out of a legitamate desire for people to grow closer to Christ. Although these people could not read they wanted to be able to pray the litany of the hours.

Born out of this was the rosary or prayer rope to which these pesants were able to "pray without ceasing" this brought them of course closer to Christ threw their continued prayer in their daily lives.

As the Rosary expanded and began to take a life of its own the cult of Mary continued to grow and blosom. This cult was created and formed in order to draw humble pessants closer to Christ threw the loving arms of his mother.

Now, none of what you just said has anything to do with the poser I presented you, not a single thing.

We do not believe in Sola Scriptura. We believe in a real living God who has the freedom to change and evolve however He sees fit.

So, you have a god that evolves, eh?

That sounds just like the Mormon god.

It certainly is not the God of the Bible and Christian faith, Who is Immutable.

I think there are a number of your Roman Catholic brethren who will cringe when seeing that your god evolves.

You do follow the doctrines that are taught to you.

Yes, I follow the doctrines that are taught to me by the Scriptures.

Yet, you and Roman Catholics blindly follow what Rome tells you in opposition to the Scriptures.

Your scrutiny does not scare me or weaken me.

Then why do you and Roman Catholics try to squelch scutiny and opposition as Rome has done for centuries?

It's a good thing Rome can't burn us who oppose Romanism at the stake any more.

[staff edit]

 

[TraderJack]

If you send statments to my personal box it will be a lot easier for me to respond

No thanks. We'll keep things in the open.