Hitler was the Anti-Christ

[timothyu]

He's also anti-abortion and recently suggested that Biblical literacy should be a mandatory subject in school. Doesn't sound anti-Christ to me. Sounds more like pro-Christ.

Oh dear..election time already?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

DreamerOfTheHeart said: ↑
who is more brutra;l, worse then hitler?

anybody?

Donald trump?

There were plenty of people more brutal than Hitler, but let's keep this in perspective. The definition of "anti-Christ" is not he who is the most brutal.

I would put the 1st century Roman army on par with Hitler as far as the treatment of Jews..
Crucifixion was the way the Romans dealt with criminals and enemies of the State.
[It is a wonder that Hitler never implemented that form of punishment.]

I have no idea the total number of Jews who perished in all of Israel during the Jewish wars/rebellion between 63ad and 73ad[Masada]

Josephus figures about 1 million Jews perished in Jerusalem alone. [and that number was high because Jews from all over came to celebrate the Passover.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover ; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah!
At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.

Nevertheless, the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers, and foreigners from all parts, so that the whole nation may be considered as having been shut up in one prison, preparatory to the execution of the Divine vengeance
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Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places,
and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made
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Josephus’ References to Crucifixion

War 5: Chapter 6
Josephus reports that the Romans crucified many before the walls of Jerusalem during the siege of 70 C.E. The idea was to terrorize the population and force a surrender.
The number reached 500 a day at one point until there was no wood left in the area for this purpose!

Chapter 11
1. So now Titus’s banks were advanced a great way, notwithstanding his soldiers had been very much distressed from the wall. He then sent a party of horsemen, and ordered they should lay ambushes for those that went out into the valleys to gather food.
Some of these were indeed fighting men, who were not contented with what they got by rapine; but the greater part of them were poor people, who were deterred from deserting by the concern they were under for their own relations;
for they could not hope to escape away, together with their wives and children, without the knowledge of the seditious; nor could they think of leaving these relations to be slain by the robbers on their account; nay,

the severity of the famine made them bold in thus going out; so nothing remained but that, when they were concealed from the robbers, they should be taken by the enemy; and when they were going to be taken,
they were forced to defend themselves for fear of being punished; as after they had fought, they thought it too late to make any supplications for mercy; so they were first whipped, and then tormented with all sorts of tortures, before they died, and were then crucified before the wall of the city.
This miserable procedure made Titus greatly to pity them, while they caught every day five hundred Jews; nay, some days they caught more: yet it did not appear to be safe for him to let those that were taken by force go their way, and to set a guard over so many he saw would be to make such as great deal them useless to him.
The main reason why he did not forbid that cruelty was this, that he hoped the Jews might perhaps yield at that sight, out of fear lest they might themselves afterwards be liable to the same cruel treatment. So the soldiers, out of the wrath and hatred they bore the Jews, nailed those they caught, one after one way, and another after another, to the crosses, by way of jest, when their multitude was so great, that room was wanting for the crosses, and crosses wanting for the bodies.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)

PREFACE

History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -- are circumstances which must always insure to the subject of the following pages more than ordinary degrees of interest and importance.
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This series of the 1st century Jewish wars/rebellions leading up to the siege of Jerusalem is, IMHO, one of the best I have seen.
Best viewed Full Screen......

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[LastSeven]

He was able to convince a nation of the evil of the Jew, or maybe the nation encouraged him to believe as they did.

There was a lot of animosity against the Jews even before Hitler came to power. The general consensus was that the Jews were to blame for their loss in WW1, due to the Kiel revolution led by Marxist Communist Karl Arkelt. Combine that with the then recent history of the Jewish overthrow and murder of the Czar in Russia, ushering in a new era of evil in Europe's back yard, it's not hard to see how an entire country rallied behind a leader who was willing to not only publicly say what they were all thinking but to actually do something about it. Yes, Hitler hated the Jews but he was far from alone in that.

 

[chilehed]

LOL nice try.

I'm just staying grounded in actual history.

 

[ewq1938]

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

So John says Antichrist shall come, and at that present time there were many. Those many are types and shadows while the Antichrist singular that shall come is what we call "The Antichrist".

Anti:

G473
a??t?´
anti
Thayer Definition:
1) over against, opposite to, before
2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
2a) instead of
2b) for
2c) for that, because
2d) wherefore, for this cause
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary particle
Citing in TDNT: 1:372, 61

While anti can mean "against" it can also mean instead of as in a copy or forgery...ie: false Christ.

That's why people will say Christ has returned because the Antichrist will claim to be Christ.


Matthew 2:22 But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea IN THE ROOM OF his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being
warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:


"in the room of" is the word "anti" in the greek (the same anti as antichrist) and from context and history we know that Archelaus was not Herods adversary, but that he was ruling in his place, instead of his father because his father was on his death bed.

ARCHELAUS - JewishEncyclopedia.com

ARCHELAUS:

By: Richard Gottheil, Louis Ginzberg

Son of Herod I.; king of Judea; born about 21 B.C., his mother being the Samaritan Malthace. At the age of fourteen he was sent to Rome for education, and, after a stay of two or three years, returned home with his brothers Antipas and Philip, who likewise had attended the schools of the Imperial City. His return was possibly hastened by the intrigues of Antipater, who by means of forged letters and similar devices calumniated him to his father, in the hope of insuring for him the same sanguinary fate he had prepared for his brothers Aristobulus and Alexander. As a result of these slanders, Herod designated Antipas, his youngest son, as his successor, changing his will to that effect. On his death-bed, however, four days before his demise, the king relinquished his determination and appointed Archelaus to the throne, while Antipas and Philip were made tetrarchs merely. Nothing is known definitely of the occasion for this change, though there may be some foundation for the statement of Archelaus' opponents, that the dying king, in his enfeebled condition, had yielded to some palace intrigue in the latter's favor.

G473
ἀντί
anti
an-tee'
A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

The anti in Antichrist is therefore a dual meaning, an enemy of Christ and also an impersonator ruling as a false christ.

 

[timothyu]

I'm just staying grounded in actual history.

Is there no history a little closer to home?

 

[SolomonVII]

There were plenty of people more brutal than Hitler, but let's keep this in perspective. The definition of "anti-Christ" is not he who is the most brutal.

I was just listening to this short little commentary on the four horsemen today, and the evangelist was making the argument that the rider of the white horse ushering in the apocalypse of war and starvation and plague is not Christ as many believe, but someone evangelizing false doctrine. By all appearances, Christ and antichrist are indistinguishable like that. A biblical foreshadowing of this might be Barabbas, translated as son of God, being chosen over Jesus, Son of man, to be spared by the will if the mob.
Which is the man, and which is the mirror image of the man? It is not all that apparent.
This is really the history of the twentieth century, and that history continues into our own era. As belief in Christ decayed into a lifeless faith in the nineteenth century to where Nietzsche proclaimed the Death of God, people nevertheless still need meaning in our lives. Most people still want to seek out the good, still need to be good even.
When religion becomes sterile and conventional rather than passionate faith, which is exactly what is happening with hypercritical assessments that moderns make of Christianity and faith in general,the appearance of what is good is grasped at when the true God of Israel no longer is glorified through real faith.
Antichrist is really not much other than a two dimensional image of what people crave to believe in, in the absence of true faith. Fascism, Marxism, the kind of humanism that slaughters a third of each generation of unborn in the name of compassion for women, all ideologies in fact, are two dimensional facades of real faith.
Ideology, or antichrist, is not defined by the brutality that surely will follow believing in shallow facades without substance. I think your assessment is correct that antichrist is not defined by brutality. People who follow antichrist ideologies likely all have good intentions. Our eyes deceive us into mistaking the appearance of God with God himself.
Antichrist is what happens in the absence of a living, breathing, vital faith. People do not choose the evil path; antichrist is the deception of accepting the appearance of good for Goodness itself.
Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao the Tung- these are all flesh and blood. They are mere men who are deceived by their ideologies as the mobs that coalesce around that common vision of shared ideology. The enemy is the ideology itself.
Until people find their way back to God, however that is going to happen, our twentieth century horrors are echoing still into our futures. This is where we are at epright now.

 

[chilehed]

Is there no history a little closer to home?

Perhaps you're thinking of those who support the murder of innocent babies: Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer,... it's a long list. But in the 90's the person who intentionally destabilized the Middle East was Saddam Hussein.

My original contribution to the thread was very clear. You can figure it out.

 

[timothyu]

Perhaps you're thinking of those who support the murder of innocent babies: Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer,... it's a long list. But in the 90's the person who intentionally destabilized the Middle East was Saddam Hussein.

My original contribution to the thread was very clear. You can figure it out.

Thank you. That makes it very clear why mankind can never resolve their own issues. Antidote? The governance of God trumps the governance of man.

 

[SolomonVII]

We can either await that Second Coming and the governance of God with wisdom, by being prepared, keeping our lamps lit and oil supplies well replenished; or foolishly, supposing that there will be some kind of Hanukkah miracle when he comes that absolves us from the responsibility of taking matters in our own capable hands.

It is not as though miracles never happen. Biblically speaking, the wise choice nevertheless is to remain alert and prepared, continually making the best assessments of what is happening before that governance of God comes down to save us from the apocalypses of life that define the ages of the antichrist.
The ME is filled with thugs and religious fanatics. It is a very destabilizing marketplace to replenish our oil supplies from, to keep the candles burning. Still, it is a foolish choice to expect that an extraordinary miracle is going to replenish those stocks in the ordinary times that we have all been living through. The last age of miracles centered on the forty years or so which surrounded the crucifixion, and this gave us the New Testament. It is the NT that tells us to be prepared, and competent.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

DreamerOfTheHeart said: ↑
Where? Hitler murdered 6 million jews intentionally knowing it was evil to do.

I don’t think that Hitler believed what he was doing was evil. He may have believed about Jews what most Palestinians believe about Jews, even as they get elected to office in America, that they were the sons of pigs and monkeys, as per Koran.
This is an ancient belief, that is older than Islam or Christianity even.
It is comforting to think that most of the evil of this world is committed by people out of pure malevolence. Hitler never smoked nor drank. He had personal integrity in his life. He was able to convince a nation of the evil of the Jew, or maybe the nation encouraged him to believe as they did. Certainly the crowd fed off of him, and he played to the crowd,
Pious believers kill in the name of a cause, an ideology, all the time believing that they are going to make the world a better place. Hitler was merely the Pol Pot of his day. Get rid of the vermin who are oppressing the victim group of the day, be that the proletariat, or the blond lion of Europe, and the world will be a better place.
Psychopaths kill for kicks, and it is very easy to dismiss the world’s worse monsters off as psychopaths,
But it is more accurate to see them as self righteous looking to find the people responsible for the suffering that envelopes them.

SolomonVII said: ↑
Anyone who unintentionally kills maybe 80 000 000 people has got to be acting with some foresight. His legacy lives on. Falun Gong might have a thing or two to say about how “unintentional” it all is to have every bone in your body broken in the re-education camps.
Oops I broke your arm. Oops, I broke your leg.
Oops I broke your other leg. Clumsy me.

Well aren't u a Mr Smarty Pants, King Solomon.
Regardless, Israel is Holy.
People have forgotten the Most High God. It is time to remind them.
They have forgotten the difference between what is wicked & holy.
You are wise, but so am I.
You underestimated me.

Oh my
Reminds me of this dialogue from a scene in "The Walking Dead".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I mean, who could possibly be more evil incarnate, then Hitler?
Hitler and the Nazis and such, were the first woe.

Great.....only 2 woes left.
I would have thought Genghis Khan or the black plague would have been 1 of the woes.........

The Black Death, also known as the Great Plague or the Plague, or less commonly the Black Plague, was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people in Eurasia and peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.
The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population.[7] In total, the plague may have reduced the world population from an estimated 450 million to 350–375 million in the 14th century.[8] It took 200 years for the world population to recover to its previous level.[9][10] The plague recurred as outbreaks in Europe until the 19th century.

Rev 9:12
One woe is past. Behold, still two more woes are coming after these things.
Rev 11:14
The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quick