BobRyan said:
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In legal terms -
what does it mean to change one of the TEN commandments in the law - so that its obligation, its authority, its observance is now transferred to some other day - other than the one as given in that Command??
Obviously it means the same thing your own Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism says it means
I haven't avoided it. I've described it many, many, many times. It is the transferring of the solemnity of the Sabbath to the Lord's Day (Sunday).
I know you don't like it that we did this. That's fine. For me, I keep a Saturday Sabbath of rest (as I'm a Jew) and also keep the solemnity of the Lord's Day by attending Mass. So it really doesn't bother me that you disagree. I just wish that you could see that the Lord's Day and the Sabbath are kept in two entirely different ways, and therefore don't conflict. They only thing they really have in common is that both are holy.
IF both are holy - if both Sunday (week-day-1 as the Bible calls it) and the Sabbath retain their solemnity - then you claim to ADD solemnity to Sunday rather than
TRANSFER FROM Sabbath.
God said:
Ex 20:11 for six days hath Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that [is] in them, and resteth in the seventh day; therefore hath Jehovah
blessed the Sabbath-day, and doth sanctify it.
Gen 2:3
3 Then God
blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.
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But the RCC hath said ---:
Leo Trese in his book "The Faith Explained" -- commentary on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II -
The Faith Explained (an RC commentary on the Baltimore catechism post Vatican ii) states on Page 242 that
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changing the Lord's day to Sunday was in the power of the church since "in the gospels ..Jesus confers upon his church the power to make laws in his name".
page 243
"Nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day From Saturday to Sunday. We know of the change only from the tradition of the Church - a fact handed down to us...that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many Non-Catholics, who say that they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and Yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"
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. (from "The Faith Explained" page 243
"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day - which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...
The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...
nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
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Dies Domini pt 13 -
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the Sabbath ...is therefore
rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws
- it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within
the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a
defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.
Dies Domini
From the Sabbath to Sunday
18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because
Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning,
they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the
Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf.
Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (
Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (
Rom 8:15;
Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the
meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf.
2 Cor 4:6).
We move f
rom the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath",
from the seventh day to the first day: the
dies Domini becomes the
dies Christi!
