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I had intended to post this in reply to an erroneous comment posted on a CF.com member blog, which asserted inaccurately that both Ukraine and Russia were once ruled by the Roman Empire.
This idea, while it would be convenient for people seeking to interpret prophecies about the end times, is entirely inaccurate, as neither Rome nor Constantinople ruled over any part of modern day Russia or Ukraine (however, portions of Armenia and Azerbaijan, which were part of the USSR, were at times under direct or indirect Roman and Byzantine control, being on the frontiers, and after the fall of Constantinople, the Greek Orthodox Christians retained control of Trebizond, a strip in Eastern Asia Minor bordering Armenia and the Black Sea, for a few more decades). That said, the Romans and later the Byzantine Empire were aware of the area and traded with it; it was populated by the Scythians, a formidable warrior culture, and Tatars, Bulgarians, Magyars, and Slavs. Now, the tribe known as Kievan Rus, who the Russians and Ukrainians are largely descended from, which was of Slavic and Scandinavian (predominantly Swedish) ethnicity (for example, St. Vladimir the Great’s mother St. Anna of Novograd was Swedish ethnically) were converted to Christianity by the Byzantines, and were actually the last major Slavic tribe to be converted (previously, the work of St. Cyril and Methodius, who developed the Cyrillic Alphabet and the Church Slavonic language, had led to the conversion of the Serbs, Poles, Croats, Dalmatians, Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbs and the Bulgarians, who were initially not a Slavic tribe, but intermarried with them and switched to a Slavic language from their previous Old Bulgarian tongue).
There was actually a fair amount of rivalry between Latin Rite missionaries sent from Rome, and Byzantine Rite missionaries from Constantinople, and some Croatian and Herzegovinian Catholics were converted but using a dialect of Old Church Slavonic called Galgolithic, rather than the Latin language promulgated elsewhere. This was all before the Great Schism of 1054 when a Roman legate excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople for refusing to accept Papal Supremacy; Kievan Rus converted around 50 years earlier, and the choice of the Byzantine Rite was due to feedback from emissaries that St. Vladimir sent to Rome and Constantinople, but also to other religions including Islam. Fortunately for Christianity, St. Vladimir was repelled by Islamic prohibitions on alcohol consumption, so while the Turks did later convert the Bosnians (who are semi-Slavic group related to the Bulgarians, but were historically differentiated by belonging to a schismatic Bosnian Church which was associated with the Gnostic Bogomil, Paulican, Albigensian and Cathar sects), the vast majority of Slavic people are Christians. But Byzantium never ruled Kievan Rus; however, the Grand Duchy of Moscow declared itself the Third Rome after the fall of Constantinople to the Turks in 1453 owing to the Muscovite Dukes being related both to St. Vladimir and, by marriage, to the Byzantine Empire. By this stage, the Tatars had conquered Kiev, and it was these Mongolian invasions which caused the initial separation between Russia and Ukraine.
The conflict is extremely sad because both countries are ethnically closely related despite having unique cultures; its like the War of 1812 or the Civil War in our own history. Indeed in both lands (and in Belarus) the largest church (the Russian Orthodox Church and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, not to be confused with the rival Orthodox Church in Ukraine under the Patriarch of Constantinople) are part of the Moscow Patriarchate, which is also responsible for the autonomous Orthodox Churches of Latvia, Lithuania, Korea, China and Japan, and the second largest church is Catholic (Roman Rite and Byzantine Rite, for example, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church).
This idea, while it would be convenient for people seeking to interpret prophecies about the end times, is entirely inaccurate, as neither Rome nor Constantinople ruled over any part of modern day Russia or Ukraine (however, portions of Armenia and Azerbaijan, which were part of the USSR, were at times under direct or indirect Roman and Byzantine control, being on the frontiers, and after the fall of Constantinople, the Greek Orthodox Christians retained control of Trebizond, a strip in Eastern Asia Minor bordering Armenia and the Black Sea, for a few more decades). That said, the Romans and later the Byzantine Empire were aware of the area and traded with it; it was populated by the Scythians, a formidable warrior culture, and Tatars, Bulgarians, Magyars, and Slavs. Now, the tribe known as Kievan Rus, who the Russians and Ukrainians are largely descended from, which was of Slavic and Scandinavian (predominantly Swedish) ethnicity (for example, St. Vladimir the Great’s mother St. Anna of Novograd was Swedish ethnically) were converted to Christianity by the Byzantines, and were actually the last major Slavic tribe to be converted (previously, the work of St. Cyril and Methodius, who developed the Cyrillic Alphabet and the Church Slavonic language, had led to the conversion of the Serbs, Poles, Croats, Dalmatians, Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbs and the Bulgarians, who were initially not a Slavic tribe, but intermarried with them and switched to a Slavic language from their previous Old Bulgarian tongue).
There was actually a fair amount of rivalry between Latin Rite missionaries sent from Rome, and Byzantine Rite missionaries from Constantinople, and some Croatian and Herzegovinian Catholics were converted but using a dialect of Old Church Slavonic called Galgolithic, rather than the Latin language promulgated elsewhere. This was all before the Great Schism of 1054 when a Roman legate excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople for refusing to accept Papal Supremacy; Kievan Rus converted around 50 years earlier, and the choice of the Byzantine Rite was due to feedback from emissaries that St. Vladimir sent to Rome and Constantinople, but also to other religions including Islam. Fortunately for Christianity, St. Vladimir was repelled by Islamic prohibitions on alcohol consumption, so while the Turks did later convert the Bosnians (who are semi-Slavic group related to the Bulgarians, but were historically differentiated by belonging to a schismatic Bosnian Church which was associated with the Gnostic Bogomil, Paulican, Albigensian and Cathar sects), the vast majority of Slavic people are Christians. But Byzantium never ruled Kievan Rus; however, the Grand Duchy of Moscow declared itself the Third Rome after the fall of Constantinople to the Turks in 1453 owing to the Muscovite Dukes being related both to St. Vladimir and, by marriage, to the Byzantine Empire. By this stage, the Tatars had conquered Kiev, and it was these Mongolian invasions which caused the initial separation between Russia and Ukraine.
The conflict is extremely sad because both countries are ethnically closely related despite having unique cultures; its like the War of 1812 or the Civil War in our own history. Indeed in both lands (and in Belarus) the largest church (the Russian Orthodox Church and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, not to be confused with the rival Orthodox Church in Ukraine under the Patriarch of Constantinople) are part of the Moscow Patriarchate, which is also responsible for the autonomous Orthodox Churches of Latvia, Lithuania, Korea, China and Japan, and the second largest church is Catholic (Roman Rite and Byzantine Rite, for example, the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church).